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Mar 8, 2016 12:46:56 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 12:46:56 GMT -7
wakeup-world.com/2016/03/08/the-future-of-dmt-research/Dr. Rick Strassman is putting out a new book. My new book, “DMT and the Soul of Prophecy,” takes the DMT story into the realm of Old Testament prophetic experience. By prophecy I mean any spiritual state described in figures in the text, not necessarily requiring foretelling or prediction as a criterion. There are striking similarities in the phenomenological descriptions of the DMT and prophetic states and I use those similarities, and differences—especially in information content–to suggest how the mechanisms in both states may or may not resemble each other. Here I adduce the medieval Jewish philosophers such as Maimonides, who in their turn reduce Aristotle and the Neoplatonists. Their metaphysics is extraordinarily sophisticated and it may be time to revisit it in the context of looking at scientific explanations for spiritual states. i was very shocked to read this: We found that fully psychedelic doses of DMT reliably induced in a group of normal volunteers a fairly consistent experience. This was characterized by a sense of dissociation of consciousness from the body, and entry into a world of light that was extraordinarily fulsome, interactive, and laden with information. In addition, there seem to be intelligent, sentient, usually quite powerful “beings” with whom the research volunteer actively communicated. My sense of these phenomena is that people entering into the DMT world are apprehending something more or less external to themselves, while at the same time, the degree of clarity of that apprehension is dependent on the individual consciousness of the experiment. entities? that sounds like some spooky shit. wonder what they eat? 
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Mar 8, 2016 12:53:20 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 12:53:20 GMT -7
that burning bush on top of Mt. Sanai, prob loaded with DMT.
coincidence?
i wonder.
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Mar 8, 2016 13:00:00 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 13:00:00 GMT -7
im going on record and believing that entities exist.. do they suck your energy? that i do not know so still in the I dont know state.
freaky ass shit for sure.
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Mar 8, 2016 13:04:43 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 13:04:43 GMT -7
some on these boards say the psychologists say entities dont exist. paranoid delusions or some such nonsense from a nonbeliever to explain NOT prove
they clearly have not puf'd DMT
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Mar 8, 2016 13:13:25 GMT -7
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 13:13:25 GMT -7
There is no scientific proof that a perceived entity is in fact a sentient being of some type. You simply have to take it on FAITH that what has been experienced was "real" whatever real is and that it was interpreted correctly.
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Mar 8, 2016 13:24:25 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 13:24:25 GMT -7
you can say that about all of reality. people have faith that they are real and not just a simulation, not just empty space with form created by the probability of a particle occupying time space in an orbit creating form created by your observation.
i wonder is it your senses observing or the soul......hmmmm that which listens to your thoughts..awareness
how do you really know this material plane isnt fake, an creation of the mind and the DMT realm is reality
faith
fun stuff to think about.
whats real whats not
whats separate from the all
what merely thinks its separate
i agree their is no real proof but its interesting as Strassman points out: We found that fully psychedelic doses of DMT reliably induced in a group of normal volunteers a fairly consistent experience. This was characterized by a sense of dissociation of consciousness from the body, and entry into a world of light that was extraordinarily fulsome, interactive, and laden with information.
my view is you dont know til you know and you got to be there to know and even then how do you ever know you know for sure.
how does God know he is God.. can he/she/it ever really be sure.
what if their is always a higher order to infinite and beyond!!!!!!
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Post by chronicircle on Mar 8, 2016 13:34:22 GMT -7
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Mar 8, 2016 13:55:44 GMT -7
ferd and higs like this
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 13:55:44 GMT -7
As a scientist I cannot just simply take anything on faith even if I have experience it myself; therefore, I cannot say definitively that what I communicated with was anything other than my own subconscious.
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Mar 8, 2016 14:39:46 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 14:39:46 GMT -7
As a scientist I cannot just simply take anything on faith even if I have experience it myself; therefore, I cannot say definitively that what I communicated with was anything other than my own subconscious. how do you know the material world is simply not a projection, an illusion? as a scientist ill assume you are familiar with quantum physics which suggests you are empty space, not really there.. form created by the probability of a moving particle occupying time space. do you have faith in the material world? or perhaps faith in your senses and that they are not deceiving you, limiting you to experiencing this perceived separateness of the material plane also, if all there is is one, you are merely a subset of GOD the all, isnt external/internal just an illusion. and how do you know everything in your subconscious is internal to you, or what if the material world is internal, a creation of the mind and the subconsciousness ie really the external in the end it comes down to can you ever really know anything? for sure? |
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Mar 8, 2016 14:41:57 GMT -7
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Post by chiefbrody on Mar 8, 2016 14:41:57 GMT -7
classic
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Mar 8, 2016 14:46:30 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 14:46:30 GMT -7
it is a classic discussion for sure. what is reality? makes me giggle alot |
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Mar 8, 2016 14:53:14 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Mar 8, 2016 14:53:14 GMT -7
some on these boards say the psychologists say entities dont exist. paranoid delusions or some such nonsense from a nonbeliever to explain NOT prove they clearly have not puf'd DMT I'm guessing you're referring to me when you say "some on these boards..." ::sigh:: I believe in entities. Why wouldn't I? en·ti·ty
ˈen(t)ədē/
noun
a thing with distinct and independent existence.
I just don't think that what may be going on is that I'm enslaved by aliens who are sucking my energy and using it in their negative vibes machine, or whatever it was that you said you think may be what's goin on. There's a big difference. You're trying to use that non-belief to suggest that if one doesn't believe in soul sucking aliens, then one doesn't believe in ANY other possible entities. You're trying to suggest that a belief in aliens enslaving humanity while not under the influence of any mind altering substances is the same as a belief that while under the influence of a powerful hallucinogen one experienced non-sentient entities. You're comparing beliefs held while completely sober to events experienced while under powerful drugs. You're taking the conclusions of mental health professionals who've studied those who believe while completely sober in the paranormal and alien enslavement and twisting them to draw your own conclusions about how they feel about those who experience non-sentient entities while under the influence of a powerful hallucinogen. I can totally understand why someone who a wide range of mental health professionals have concluded through studies shows paranoid delusional and schizophrenic tendencies would strongly dislike or put down those professions. Coincidentally, or not, the UFO cult Scientology also hates the mental health profession. In L. Ron Hubbard's book/movie 'Battlefield Earth' it's not for nothing that the aliens who enslave humanity are Psychs from the planet Psychlo. If making false assumptions and drawing false conclusions is your path, rage it. If everything is just a creation of the mind, then so are those aliens who you believe are enslaving you. By your argument, they don't exist or only exist as a construct of your mind. Ironic. I tend to think there's some truth to what Cluster/HulkOnAcid said in another thread about people who talk a lot about DMT. Have fun with your thread and any other assumptions you choose to make. I have no desire to go down a rabbit hole I've already been down just to satisfy your desire to argue. |
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Mar 8, 2016 14:53:22 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 14:53:22 GMT -7
sometimes i have ear wax which looks eerily like some of the DMT ive seen, not all by any means
i should prob try smoking it.. my pineal gland is sending me a message
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Mar 8, 2016 14:55:01 GMT -7
via mobile
Post by treetophigh on Mar 8, 2016 14:55:01 GMT -7
What in god's holy name are you very telling about?!
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Mar 8, 2016 14:55:05 GMT -7
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 14:55:05 GMT -7
As a scientist I cannot just simply take anything on faith even if I have experience it myself; therefore, I cannot say definitively that what I communicated with was anything other than my own subconscious. how do you know the material world is simply not a projection, an illusion? as a scientist ill assume you are familiar with quantum physics which suggests you are empty space, not really there.. form created by the probability of a moving particle occupying time space. do you have faith in the material world? or perhaps faith in your senses and that they are not deceiving you, limiting you to experiencing this perceived separateness of the material plane also, if all there is is one, you are merely a subset of GOD the all, isnt external/internal just an illusion. and how do you know everything in your subconscious is internal to you, or what if the material world is internal, a creation of the mind and the subconsciousness ie really the external in the end it comes down to can you ever really know anything? for sure? First of all it is a stretch at best to call that interpretation of quantum mechanics science. Second I'm a biologist not a physicist. Third even if you take QM to be "truth" in any form, you are still talking about an experience that takes place within the confines of your own consciousness. You still have to simply take it on faith that whatever being you are conversing with is infact not generated from within and that that being has been able to penetrate your own conscious construct or that the drug has opened you to allowing it in. You can't prove the existence of god and I'm not going to go round and round with you playing word games I'm an actual trained scientist, trained in biology. So to answer all of the stupid questions above in a word: no. |
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Mar 8, 2016 14:57:07 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 14:57:07 GMT -7
some on these boards say the psychologists say entities dont exist. paranoid delusions or some such nonsense from a nonbeliever to explain NOT prove they clearly have not puf'd DMT I'm guessing you're referring to me when you say "some on these boards..." ::sigh:: I believe in entities. Why wouldn't I? en·ti·ty
ˈen(t)ədē/
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a thing with distinct and independent existence.
I just don't think that what may be going on is that I'm enslaved by aliens who are sucking my energy and using it in their negative vibes machine, or whatever it was that you said you think may be what's goin on. There's a big difference. You're trying to use that non-belief to suggest that if one doesn't believe in soul sucking aliens, then one doesn't believe in ANY other possible entities. You're trying to suggest that a belief in aliens enslaving humanity while not under the influence of any mind altering substances is the same as a belief that while under the influence of a powerful hallucinogen one experienced non-sentient entities. You're comparing beliefs held while completely sober to events experienced while under powerful drugs. You're taking the conclusions of mental health professionals who've studied those who believe while completely sober in the paranormal and alien enslavement and twisting them to draw your own conclusions about how they feel about those who experience non-sentient entities while under the influence of a powerful hallucinogen. I can totally understand why someone who a wide range of mental health professionals have concluded through studies shows paranoid delusional and schizophrenic tendencies would strongly dislike or put down those professions. Coincidentally, or not, the UFO cult Scientology also hates the mental health profession. In L. Ron Hubbard's book/movie 'Battlefield Earth' it's not for nothing that the aliens who enslave humanity are Psychs from the planet Psychlo. If making false assumptions and drawing false conclusions is your path, rage it. If everything is just a creation of the mind, then so are those aliens who you believe are enslaving you. By your argument, they don't exist or only exist as a construct of your mind. Ironic. I tend to think there's some truth to what Cluster/HulkOnAcid said in another thread about people who talk a lot about DMT. Have fun with your thread and any other assumptions you choose to make. I have no desire to go down a rabbit hole I've already been down just to satisfy your desire to argue. so you believe entities exist ( i thought so) but what exactly makes energy sucking entities unlikely in the subset of entities just curious. we know so little about these entities so what makes you rule them out? i readily admit i know pretty much nothing about entities cept i believe they exist yet you seem to feel you have enough data to rule them out specific entities. what data do you use or is this just a faith belief on your part, which i get |
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Mar 8, 2016 14:58:25 GMT -7
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 14:58:25 GMT -7
You know I haven't smoked any in a looong time but I looked not long ago and realized I still have little shard crystals nice stuff best I ever made. I was thinking of tossing it.
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Mar 8, 2016 15:01:45 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Mar 8, 2016 15:01:45 GMT -7
i dont really view DMT as a drug.. its in your brain.. you dont really get all fucked up like on acid or shrooms.. your mind remains pretty much in the same state, its just goes elsewhere. what is that elsewhere and do head shrinkers have any real scientific evidence to support their views? scientific evidences or is it opinion. how does being a paranoid schizo rule out any type of entity? im not seeing it. if you want to pretend it does so be it. so swifty, since you beleivce in entities are you a paranoid schizo? wold the doctors you quote think so? |
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Mar 8, 2016 15:07:20 GMT -7
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 15:07:20 GMT -7
i dont really view DMT as a drug.. its in your brain.. you dont really get all fucked up like on acid or shrooms.. your mind remains pretty much in the same state, its just goes elsewhere. what is that elsewhere and do head shrinkers have any real scientific evidence to support their views? scientific evidences or is it opinion. how does being a paranoid schizo rule out any type of entity? im not seeing it. if you want to pretend it does so be it. so swifty, since you beleivce in entities are you a paranoid schizo? wold the doctors you quote think so? Wait how do you know that "the mind" has gone "elsewhere"? |
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Post by Don Swifty on Mar 8, 2016 15:12:27 GMT -7
Of course I believe entities exist. I already said that. I'm going to paraphrase The Big Lebowski himself because it seems relevant: Okay sir, you're an entity, I'm an entity, that's terrific, but I'm very busy, as I can imagine you are.... |
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