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Post by PooDolla on Sept 28, 2015 14:54:58 GMT -7
Any thoughts on our tax structure?
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 28, 2015 17:47:09 GMT -7
No income tax for all. Only social security. Place a VAT on all goods and services of 10% and Feds get 5 and the state that sold it gets 5. The VAT would be in addition to a flat general sales tax of 10%.
Give a future date of VAT implementation, say April 15, 2017. That could stimulate economy by getting people to purchase that boat they've been saving for. Buy it before 4/15/17 and save big!!
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Post by saulgoodman on Sept 29, 2015 14:04:54 GMT -7
Doesn't the answer start with a different question though? that is: how much revenue do we need to optimally regulate society? we have to know that before we can get into the secondary issue of who pays how much.
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 29, 2015 18:53:22 GMT -7
Doesn't the answer start with a different question though? that is: how much revenue do we need to optimally regulate society? we have to know that before we can get into the secondary issue of who pays how much. You don't need taxed money to optimally regulate society. You need proper management of cost and spending. Imagine for a moment that our country was not in debt and actually had trillions saved. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 4:15:24 GMT -7
I think everyone making over $250,000 that doesn't have kids should have to pay 92% taxes
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 30, 2015 8:32:11 GMT -7
I think everyone making over $250,000 that doesn't have kids should have to pay 92% taxes Declaring war against the Wealthy is a great idea! |
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 30, 2015 9:15:26 GMT -7
I think those who know how to make a good lasagna should be taxed at a higher rate and that those lasagna's should be resdistributed to those who are unfortunate enough not to know how to prepare a decent lasagna. Of course there needs to be a veggie lasagna option. Lasagna's made in crock pots will NOT be accepted as an adequate payment of taxes. That shit might fly in Sweden or one of those progressive European socialist countries but this is 'Mercia, damnit.
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 30, 2015 10:12:26 GMT -7
that depends. the goal should be to satisfy societal needs so thats the first step.
determine what we really need.
in the end the need for society to sustain itself outweighs the need, if any, for the super wealthy.
you take more from the economy you pay more and if we have a shortfall those that extract the most wealth need to pay more.
why? cause thats where the money is.
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 30, 2015 10:14:57 GMT -7
my view is we get rid of the bullshit fiat currency system and create labor units.
no need for taxes.
you work you eat.
you contribute more you get more up to a certain point.
society just keeps creating.
we have the resources
we have the technology
we have the labor
to do so much more and efficiently at that
lets get on i
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Post by saulgoodman on Sept 30, 2015 14:00:09 GMT -7
Doesn't the answer start with a different question though? that is: how much revenue do we need to optimally regulate society? we have to know that before we can get into the secondary issue of who pays how much. You don't need taxed money to optimally regulate society. You need proper management of cost and spending. Imagine for a moment that our country was not in debt and actually had trillions saved. that doesn't make any sense--of course you need tax money to optimally regulate society. you have to get the money before you can manage and spend. you have to get the revenue first.
so, the first question, again, is what are our needs and how much does it take to fulfill them. Of course, I'm not saying that you need to get as much as you can to spend as much as you can. the needs and costs to fulfill them have to be reasonable. Still, you have to know what you need before you can figure out how much it costs to satisfy that need, so yeah, the first thing you have to do is determine how much revenue is necessary to optimally regulate society. then, you can assess how much to charge who, but that second question is, in fact, secondary.
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Post by lovejahlive on Sept 30, 2015 16:49:37 GMT -7
15%
solved. spending is the problem. if the Secret Government would print more gold we wouldn't have this lasagna.
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 30, 2015 19:06:43 GMT -7
You don't need taxed money to optimally regulate society. You need proper management of cost and spending. Imagine for a moment that our country was not in debt and actually had trillions saved. that doesn't make any sense--of course you need tax money to optimally regulate society. you have to get the money before you can manage and spend. you have to get the revenue first.
 so, the first question, again, is what are our needs and how much does it take to fulfill them. Of course, I'm not saying that you need to get as much as you can to spend as much as you can. the needs and costs to fulfill them have to be reasonable. Still, you have to know what you need before you can figure out how much it costs to satisfy that need, so yeah, the first thing you have to do is determine how much revenue is necessary to optimally regulate society. then, you can assess how much to charge who, but that second question is, in fact, secondary.
Yeah you're right, what I said makes no sense. I was just trying to contribute to this thread. I don't know what Optimally Regulated Society really means, but I know taxes and I like my original idea of a VAT in America and only tax what we spend, not what we make. Thank you for your feedback Saulgood |
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 30, 2015 19:16:26 GMT -7
No income tax for all. Only social security. Place a VAT on all goods and services of 10% and Feds get 5 and the state that sold it gets 5. The VAT would be in addition to a flat general sales tax of 10%. Give a future date of VAT implementation, say April 15, 2017. That could stimulate economy by getting people to purchase that boat they've been saving for. Buy it before 4/15/17 and save big!! The UK did a VAT recalculation a few years back which reduced it from 17.5% to 7.5% and then went back up after a year and a half. Do you know how many Jaguars and Rolls Royces were sold during that timeframe? Think about the taxes involved in expensive purchases and imagine if there was a time sensitive window for you to buy now and save or buy later and pay a lot more. |
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 30, 2015 19:42:51 GMT -7
One more idea I would like to share, and the idea comes from George W Bush, kind of. In his first year in the White House mr bush started an economic stimulus plan that issued a $500 check to every American taxpayer. I got mine and spent it on the black market. What did you do with your free $500? A lot of people stashed it in their savings so the only winners there are the banks with digital currency swimming around in markets. Retailers won on those that blew it on white market shopping, dining, entertainment. For the most part it worked to boost spending and stimulate economic growth.
It would have worked better if it wasn't a treasury check, instead it was a time sensitive gift card or even better a government issued American Express card. The intention is to spend it and rather quickly or lose it. You could pay bills with it too sure.
So if you expect a tax return, would you opt for your return to come in the form of gift cards or the AMEX if the amount was oh say 50% more value? I bet 50 percent of Americans would do it by year 2.
Thoughts?
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Post by lordkundalini on Oct 2, 2015 6:26:14 GMT -7
 where does money come from? its created out of nothing so how can we not have enough? that tells me we have some bullshit money creation system that fails horribly to maximize output and efficiency. for god sakes INFLATION is built in the current BULLSHIT system is designed to "create" weatlth and where does all that wealth go? to the elites and their cronies who created and run the BULLSHIT money creation scam. |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Oct 4, 2015 11:59:27 GMT -7
I didnt read thread But I'd be ok with 10$ across the board with the %edge raisin ever lets say 75 or 100k by 2% with a cap of 35%
as is already shown those that make that much here the taxes are super high get perks as it is so...maybe put that cap up to 40%
but then I also feel the cost of living rent and buyin (on a whole nother topic but can tie nto this) should be lowered
I dunno take it or leave it , fuck it lets smoke weed
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Post by Don Swifty on Oct 4, 2015 12:56:45 GMT -7
Keep it simple so you don't need to fill out so many forms or hire an accountant or H&R Block. You pay your weight in lasagna. If you have kids, you can deduct their weight from your overall tax bill. Corporations are taxed at 92% of the weight of the heaviest employee times the number of employees. No other deductions. Weight is to be determine on January 2, where every American must go to their local weigh in station (could be done like voting, in schools, etc.) Excess lasagna (of the crock pot variety) will be sent overseas as foreign aid to less discerning countries lacking Italian restaurants who don't know the meaning of a good lasagna. Rename April 15 as Lasagna Day. This gives people plenty of time post holiday season to prepare lasagna if they owe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 9:28:05 GMT -7
Taxes demanding pay in Monopolized currency creates an artificial need for "money" as we think it is, and ends up being a wealth redistribution process that for Industry itself which is not based on sustainability, but Capitalism which in affect can be like a Giant Ponzi Scheme.
So to get rid of taxes as it is now would not be solving the problem, what we ought to be most concerned about is limiting taxes alltogether, I kindof agree with DirtyRice.
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Post by gbfan on Oct 6, 2015 21:39:49 GMT -7
If everyone would just quit busting nuts in every cooch..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 6:34:19 GMT -7
^ serious problem but people are selfish, they would rather destroy a planet than not have children so they can mold them into their own image. We just otta stop having kids, people can't accept it.
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