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Post by betterweather1239 on Oct 8, 2015 6:46:23 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 6:54:04 GMT -7
War is great business, that's why/how the US funded and created ISIS effectively. Russians are just like American',s in that they love to profit from war and are not afraid to do airstrikes which make people lots of money. Both sides always claim their offenses are just and Machievelian
For the past 100 years we've fucked up and meddled with the middle east, and look where it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 6:54:43 GMT -7
One humanitarian disaster after another.
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Post by betterweather1239 on Oct 8, 2015 6:56:52 GMT -7
I wouldn't say 100 years. Europe was on that before the US. Our intervention in Middle East affairs directly correlates with our dependence on oil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:03:36 GMT -7
I guess when I say we I meant the western World, but the United States has since World War 1 collaborated with western powers in Europe to Draw and and mold the middle east in their image and of course, in the name of Capitalism and "Free Trade".
This goes back to the Treaty of Versailles, and back to when the United States catapulted itself into a War with europe that all Bankers and Capitalists like Weapons manufacturrs were pushing.... And what do you know it was actually War that Industrialzed America, and got people like African Americans and Women into the workplace.
Pretty sinisterr
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:06:26 GMT -7
It's the big people that make money, and the small guys.. in this Case Syrians that are paying the price and are literally stuck in the middle of bombing raids (Not tht the US, or others like Russia have problems with Bombings and collateral damage)...
The United Sattes and Russia is making Syria into another Afghanistan with their proxy war bullshit, the kicker is the United Sattes buys Russian AK-47's instead of American weapons to supply to people like ISIS and other terrorist groups, I guess sellign them M16's woudl look too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:16:02 GMT -7
"The U.S. is responsible for between 1 and 1.8 million deaths during the war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, by luring the Soviet Union into invading that nation."
In 1998, in an interview with the Parisian publication Le Novel Observateur, Zbigniew Brzezinski, adviser to President Carter, admitted that he had been responsible for instigating aid to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan which caused the Soviets to invade. In his own words:
“According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
The Afghanistan Civil War we started by arming radical fundamentalists has been going since 1978, is this what Syria has to look forward to? Blaming it on the Russians and their influence is what we did with Afghanistan while simultaneously arming radical fundamentalists, and it seems the same tactics are being used to perpetuate War and Conflict with Syria.
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Post by betterweather1239 on Oct 8, 2015 7:21:39 GMT -7
The Treaty of Versailles pretty much just crippled Germany, which ultimately started WWII. As for supplying the Middle East with weapons that animated corpse Ronnie Reagan opened the flood gates and US arms manufactures kept supplying them with last year's models.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:29:50 GMT -7
The Treaty of Versilles was the Victor's taking complete control and starting the international wealth distribution process... The doled out in many cases unpayable debts to the "Loser" NAtions and completely redrew international bounaries, specifically the Middle East and the Ottoman Empire.
Cripling Germany and causing WW2, another giant Wealth Redistribution process was just one of the affect of the treaty of Versailles.
On the Subject of Regan I would agree nly partially because by that time, the US had already been invlived in MANY Secret and non secret military operations since world war 2 which included our longer official conflict in history, Vietnam.
iatnam ending costign too much and forced the pulic to become aware and educated of the scenario, which of course caused protest and all kinds of shit... They learned to do things secretly and non officially like they did in Afghanistan, that way you can just manipulate the media and only show what you want to.
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Post by waldowally on Oct 8, 2015 7:31:24 GMT -7
I guess when I say we I meant the western World, but the United States has since World War 1 collaborated with western powers in Europe to Draw and and mold the middle east in their image and of course, in the name of Capitalism and "Free Trade". This goes back to the Treaty of Versailles, and back to when the United States catapulted itself into a War with europe that all Bankers and Capitalists like Weapons manufacturrs were pushing.... And what do you know it was actually War that Industrialzed America, and got people like African Americans and Women into the workplace. Pretty sinisterr If you think we should have not entered into WWI you sir are not smart |
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Post by betterweather1239 on Oct 8, 2015 7:37:31 GMT -7
The Ottoman had to be dissolved, the thing was dead. I think the goal of was of the Treaty of Versailles was to punish the aggressors to avoid another world wide conflict. Nations in WWI were pretty much were sickened by the fighting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:51:19 GMT -7
Hodor,
The United States was a nation who until the early 1900's made it their job to not get involved in European Wars that plagued Europe for centuries, we were Isolationists. The debatable subjects were international trade and immigration policy... But what changed our mind's into getitng involved in Europe's Wars across the sea? Not only that, but to Ally England?
The United States and it's citizens completely wanted nothing to do with world war 1, Until? That's right... The sinking of the Lusitania, advertised as a "passenger ship" to England. That's what they advertised to the public so we could enter a European Conflict which bankers and capitalists of all kinds like Weapons manufacturers were pushing. Call it Lobbying, or influencing.
So the united Stated begins shipping Weapons secretly, without public knowledge to ally England, the country we fought several Wars against, including our revoltion and oh yea... They burned own our White House in the Early 1800's.
Germany send us REPEATED warnings to not send weapons and ally their enemy, they warned the US that if you attempt to Ally England and ship through German Waters WE WILL SINK YOU.
So what does the United States, without public knowledge of course go and do? We send a Passenger Ship, filled with weapons to ally England. And What do you know, we get shot down, the Government and media relay the news to the people who suddenly become outraged and become gun ho on getting involved in our first European conflict in Europe ever.
Look deeper Hodor, if you think we had to enter WW1, it' probably because you read it in a United States History book that forgot to tell all the facts.
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Post by waldowally on Oct 8, 2015 7:54:35 GMT -7
You are retarded.
Straight up.
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Post by betterweather1239 on Oct 8, 2015 7:56:16 GMT -7
You are right on with that. It's pretty well documented arms manufacturers were lobbying hard for the US to get involved in the conflict.
The only thing I am arguing is that the Treaty of Versailles had less to do with the US involvement in the Middle East and more to do with avoiding another European conflict. That was the League of Nations was supposed to do too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:56:33 GMT -7
Why did we enter World War 1 Hodor? Million Dollar question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 7:57:55 GMT -7
You are retarded. Straight up. BetterWeather, thank god your not as misinformed as this guy who resorts to name calling when he does not like the facts. Well see if he answers my question with, we had to Enter World War 1 because the Germany Sank the Lusitania. |
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Post by betterweather1239 on Oct 8, 2015 7:58:35 GMT -7
No real reason. An isolationist nation getting involved in a European stalemate started because of extreme nationalism and lingering European imperialism doesn't make much sense.
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Post by frododoknobo on Oct 8, 2015 7:59:36 GMT -7
We should all take a history lesson from an unemployed 23 year old with a high school education, who does nothing but dabs all day because he "can't afford to work." Sorry kid. Thanks for playing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 8:00:40 GMT -7
You are right on with that. It's pretty well documented arms manufacturers were lobbying hard for the US to get involved in the conflict. The only thing I am arguing is that the Treaty of Versailles had less to do with the US involvement in the Middle East and more to do with avoiding another European conflict. That was the League of Nations was supposed to do too. I agree with your Europe V.s Middle East sentiment regaurding treaty if Versailles, But that was the major thing I think.. The Ottoman was dissolved, but it was the Victors of WW1 who drew the lines and doled out debt and all that.... Effectively the people in the middle east did not have control of their own destiny, wealth, or even Democracy. |
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Post by waldowally on Oct 8, 2015 8:04:06 GMT -7
Let's see:
1. If France and England lost, they would not be able to pay their bebt to us, 2 billion dollars, this would have destroyed our economy. Completely destroyed.
2. Democracy
3.the Zimmerman note- Germany was going to support Mexico trying to take back texas, az, and nm.
4. Lusitania
Do you even history, bro?
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