War is great business, that's why/how the US funded and created ISIS effectively. Russians are just like American',s in that they love to profit from war and are not afraid to do airstrikes which make people lots of money. Both sides always claim their offenses are just and Machievelian
For the past 100 years we've fucked up and meddled with the middle east, and look where it is.
I guess when I say we I meant the western World, but the United States has since World War 1 collaborated with western powers in Europe to Draw and and mold the middle east in their image and of course, in the name of Capitalism and "Free Trade".
This goes back to the Treaty of Versailles, and back to when the United States catapulted itself into a War with europe that all Bankers and Capitalists like Weapons manufacturrs were pushing.... And what do you know it was actually War that Industrialzed America, and got people like African Americans and Women into the workplace.
Pretty sinisterr
It's the big people that make money, and the small guys.. in this Case Syrians that are paying the price and are literally stuck in the middle of bombing raids (Not tht the US, or others like Russia have problems with Bombings and collateral damage)...
The United Sattes and Russia is making Syria into another Afghanistan with their proxy war bullshit, the kicker is the United Sattes buys Russian AK-47's instead of American weapons to supply to people like ISIS and other terrorist groups, I guess sellign them M16's woudl look too bad.
"The U.S. is responsible for between 1 and 1.8 million deaths during the war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, by luring the Soviet Union into invading that nation."
In 1998, in an interview with the Parisian publication Le Novel Observateur, Zbigniew Brzezinski, adviser to President Carter, admitted that he had been responsible for instigating aid to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan which caused the Soviets to invade. In his own words:
“According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
The Afghanistan Civil War we started by arming radical fundamentalists has been going since 1978, is this what Syria has to look forward to? Blaming it on the Russians and their influence is what we did with Afghanistan while simultaneously arming radical fundamentalists, and it seems the same tactics are being used to perpetuate War and Conflict with Syria.
The Treaty of Versilles was the Victor's taking complete control and starting the international wealth distribution process... The doled out in many cases unpayable debts to the "Loser" NAtions and completely redrew international bounaries, specifically the Middle East and the Ottoman Empire.
Cripling Germany and causing WW2, another giant Wealth Redistribution process was just one of the affect of the treaty of Versailles.
On the Subject of Regan I would agree nly partially because by that time, the US had already been invlived in MANY Secret and non secret military operations since world war 2 which included our longer official conflict in history, Vietnam.
iatnam ending costign too much and forced the pulic to become aware and educated of the scenario, which of course caused protest and all kinds of shit... They learned to do things secretly and non officially like they did in Afghanistan, that way you can just manipulate the media and only show what you want to.
Hodor,
The United States was a nation who until the early 1900's made it their job to not get involved in European Wars that plagued Europe for centuries, we were Isolationists. The debatable subjects were international trade and immigration policy... But what changed our mind's into getitng involved in Europe's Wars across the sea? Not only that, but to Ally England?
The United States and it's citizens completely wanted nothing to do with world war 1, Until? That's right... The sinking of the Lusitania, advertised as a "passenger ship" to England. That's what they advertised to the public so we could enter a European Conflict which bankers and capitalists of all kinds like Weapons manufacturers were pushing. Call it Lobbying, or influencing.
So the united Stated begins shipping Weapons secretly, without public knowledge to ally England, the country we fought several Wars against, including our revoltion and oh yea... They burned own our White House in the Early 1800's.
Germany send us REPEATED warnings to not send weapons and ally their enemy, they warned the US that if you attempt to Ally England and ship through German Waters WE WILL SINK YOU.
So what does the United States, without public knowledge of course go and do? We send a Passenger Ship, filled with weapons to ally England. And What do you know, we get shot down, the Government and media relay the news to the people who suddenly become outraged and become gun ho on getting involved in our first European conflict in Europe ever.
Look deeper Hodor, if you think we had to enter WW1, it' probably because you read it in a United States History book that forgot to tell all the facts.
Why did we enter World War 1 Hodor? Million Dollar question.
BetterWeather, thank god your not as misinformed as this guy who resorts to name calling when he does not like the facts. Well see if he answers my question with, we had to Enter World War 1 because the Germany Sank the Lusitania.
I agree with your Europe V.s Middle East sentiment regaurding treaty if Versailles, But that was the major thing I think.. The Ottoman was dissolved, but it was the Victors of WW1 who drew the lines and doled out debt and all that.... Effectively the people in the middle east did not have control of their own destiny, wealth, or even Democracy.
England, the World Imperialists cause America to Revolt Against them, approx 40 years later Another war breaks out where Britain burns down our white house... they contributed as much as they could to our Union Dissolving in the Civil War... And people actually believe we had to get involved in WW1 to ally England because we used our Citizens as body bags to continue secretly sending weapons, which Germans repeatedly Warned about and they sunk out ship.
/seriosuly
The Zimmerman Telegram, one of the most controversial things you can research on the Internet as to a cause of WW1? read into that more, including the specific dialogue of the telegram.
Your first reason only supports Bankers, capitalists, and other manufacturers being the ones who pushed for war not the people. $$$$$$
Democracy? lol Dude, we did not dot around the world fighting wars against Communism and apparently in the name of Democracy until after world War 2.
The Lusitania, Boom. The ship we used our citizens as body bags for to send arms to the Country we fought several wars against that Germany Specifically warned us about.
Yea, Hodor and Iron sure seem to be bringing details to the table, liek name calling.
BetterWeather, clearly is much more informed than either of you two on the subject, at least hodor could formulate a simple response to my question, but he had to end it with a personal comment or insult to try and elevate his opinion on the subject.
Hodor, your a sheep like most Americans, try gaining some more perspective on subjects like this instead of Getting your information from Bias sources like US history books. What, did they teach you the Lusitania sinking and the Zimmerman Telegram in the 4th grade Social Studies Book? lol
If you guys would just spend an hour researching what your arguing, you'd realize you don't need to be in college or have a job to know history about WW1 and things like the sinking of the Lusitania beyond face value. Do the work yourself, for yourself not just to argue against me. Look up multiple sources, and you ll come to the conclusion BetterWeather has... and me....
I'm starting to think all this collecting paychecks and working is taking so much time out of your day, you don't have the time to research this stuff and form a educated opinion, but that begs the question why argue with someone who has? JAmbase right here, can't have a conversation Hodor's gotta strt off in the thread making a personal comment, and look we still have not recovered.
WW1 Thus WW2 was completely unnecessary, oh and the excuse behind that one was Pearl Harbor, the complete surprise attack we knew nothing about. Makes sense like the Telegram and Lusitania. Simple explanation. I'll bet money had nothing to do with it, you can be sure as shit moral's had nothign to do with it.
We were waiting to enter the war to use our Nazi Science Experiment, you know the Atomic Bomb we made by collaborating with Nazi's.. We actually planned to use it on Germany first, but Pearl Harbor made Japan an easy Target. We knew Pearl Harbor was coming, like it or not there is plenty of sources telling you this.
We dropped the bomb on Hiroshima i the center of town in good weather, so they could measure the experiment... Another city was actually meant to be hit but was too cloudy, and when we Nuked Nagasaki we actually fucked up because it was cloudy, it did not land in the center of town but rather in a valley.
Look Deepr hodor, and thank WW1 for Nazi's, Hitler, WW2, etc....
Back Hodor asking all the questions and making simple statements.
*We already know you lack the ability to look at your own country critically Ferd, Rose colored glasses are expensive"
At least Hodors trolling was somewhat relevant to the subject matter, although it highlights his Patriotism which is absolutely a negative trait, blind faith in your country and what they tell you, write in their books, etc.
Irons, Frodo,s Ferd,s, completely irrelevant.
Nothing I said was really a conspiracy theory, the Lusitania thing is less arguable than Pearl Harbor.
On a side not, the unpayable debts to loser nations doled out by the voctors after the world wars has been a major cause of Environemntal and Ecological devistation, when nations no longer had the ability to pay resources, land, etc. began to be sold and bought by mutinational corporations, Government funded ventures, etc...
So The World War scams we should never have been invlived are still having an impact and indirectly is actually linked to many of these modern day conflicts... Which kind of brings us full circle to the Syria, Afghanistan things.
Thats why were a Imperialistic Military Empire that profits off the continuation of the War MAchine, in which we are reposnible for some approx 20 million deaths since ww2 alone.
YOur saying what your saying like it'sa good thing, maybe you forgot my post on the previous page mentioning how War is Actually What industrialized America and goth both Women and Blacks into the work place...
It's like your trying to shield yourself fro the reality of what we did and what we are, your making the same arguments in affect that I made, the wars were about money, subsidization, contracts, capitalism, Banking, etc..... Not about morals and about us having to get involved in something. It's liek your in denial.
One of the many reasons highlighted in why we knew pearl harbor was coming.
We did know about the Holocaust but of course thats debatable, we were granting Assylum to NAzi's to do things like build the Atom Bomb, as far as word of mouth and actual news many people knew but did not want to believe. The American public did not know thats for sure, most public peeps were kept in the dark.
BetterWeather they conspire then much like they do today, America's industry as hodor said was built on War, and to this day we spend more than the next 10 countries combined on War feeding a massive Military Industrial Complex, and to which everything is linked by Banks.
To think the War's back then were not unnecessary and were not about money is to think the same of the ones today, it's all advertising and media brainwashing that convinces people in every single conflict that we had to do it and it was unavoidable..... Can we call this Bush Syndrome?
I mean I have family members to this day I dont like talking to because they still beleie things like we had t go to Iraq because of 9/11.. Pathetic Americans with their blind Patriotism.
