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Jan 8, 2024 14:38:55 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Jan 8, 2024 14:38:55 GMT -7
That's a lot of words bro.
I'm not going to go digging it all up but trust me when I say I've been following this fairly closely and williamson has polled around 10% on average for the majority of the time that she's been running. At no point during the duration of the entire race has she gotten any coverage. Nobody except Biden and republicans have gotten any coverage. Idk what else to say except there it is.
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Jan 8, 2024 14:44:31 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Jan 8, 2024 14:44:31 GMT -7
I have a question: If all this polling that we can see in front of our eyes is saying that Biden is going lose to trump, all the other candidates are intentionally ignored, and Biden is forced upon us, then he loses to Trump. Who's fault is this going to be when we're f'd?
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Jan 8, 2024 15:51:13 GMT -7
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Post by salmon401 on Jan 8, 2024 15:51:13 GMT -7
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Jan 8, 2024 16:11:30 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 8, 2024 16:11:30 GMT -7
Padora or Karen the "older gal "
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Jan 8, 2024 16:16:21 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 8, 2024 16:16:21 GMT -7
I have a question: If all this polling that we can see in front of our eyes is saying that Biden is going lose to trump, all the other candidates are intentionally ignored, and Biden is forced upon us, then he loses to Trump. Who's fault is this going to be when we're f'd? Dude do you not think the mainstream media would absolutely LOVE and go nuts over a "progressive upstart taking on the establishment?" They would be shitting on themselves for anyone even remotely viable... But unfortunately she is not that person. She's just not.
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Jan 8, 2024 17:04:11 GMT -7
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 8, 2024 17:04:11 GMT -7
I have a question: If all this polling that we can see in front of our eyes is saying that Biden is going lose to trump, all the other candidates are intentionally ignored, and Biden is forced upon us, then he loses to Trump. Whose fault is this going to be when we're f'd? Obama’s fault is the usual answer
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Jan 8, 2024 17:04:54 GMT -7
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Post by higs on Jan 8, 2024 17:04:54 GMT -7
I have a question: If all this polling that we can see in front of our eyes is saying that Biden is going lose to trump, all the other candidates are intentionally ignored, and Biden is forced upon us, then he loses to Trump. Whose fault is this going to be when we're f'd? Obama’s fault is the usual answer I was going to say, Biden's obviously.
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Jan 8, 2024 17:26:44 GMT -7
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 8, 2024 17:26:44 GMT -7
Of all the GOP candidates I’d say Nikki Haley is most presidential and if she’s on my primary I will probably vote for her. Are you guys mad at me now?
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Jan 8, 2024 17:28:14 GMT -7
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 8, 2024 17:28:14 GMT -7
Biden was the first president I voted for that actually won but I don’t think he can beat Trump again. I usually pick the loser tho
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Jan 8, 2024 17:31:32 GMT -7
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 8, 2024 17:31:32 GMT -7
I’m just trying to get accustomed to 4 more years of Trump, unless he is the Final President and our new form of government places him as Supreme Chancellor and Primest Minister of our hemisphere starting in 2029 and beyond. Shits gonna get weird. Weirder than it was.
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Post by bussit on Jan 8, 2024 17:38:31 GMT -7
I have a question: If all this polling that we can see in front of our eyes is saying that Biden is going lose to trump, all the other candidates are intentionally ignored, and Biden is forced upon us, then he loses to Trump. Who's fault is this going to be when we're f'd? Dude do you not think the mainstream media would absolutely LOVE and go nuts over a "progressive upstart taking on the establishment?" They would be shitting on themselves for anyone even remotely viable... But unfortunately she is not that person. She's just not. What? Hard disagree. This is a fantasy. You will never, ever, ever see a progressive presidential candidate get positive coverage on CNN or msnbc. It was kind of funny when Bernie was running and drawing massive crowds of people with tons of energy, and that got almost zero coverage on any news station, while they would keep the camera on trump's empty podium for eternity. Msnbc hated Bernie's guts. They are the establishment. This is the problem.
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 8, 2024 18:33:59 GMT -7
Every night on NBC News there's a story about Biden losing young voters, Biden losing Black voters...
You don't think they'd LOVE to do stories about "meanwhile So and So is drawing thousands to her rallies!" just like they did for Bernie?? They had to cover him.
But not her. She doesn't have the chutzpah, gravitas, charisma (legislative accomplishments?) or whatever it is necessary to move the needle. She just doesn't.
There's no conspiracy. There doesn't need to be.
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Jan 8, 2024 18:38:32 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 8, 2024 18:38:32 GMT -7
And for the record I wanted Warren in 2020.
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Jan 8, 2024 18:44:50 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 8, 2024 18:44:50 GMT -7
Biden-Harris Administration Announces Nearly $5 Billion in Additional Student Debt Relief
Another 80,000 borrowers will receive forgiveness thanks to Administration actions DECEMBER 6, 2023
The Biden-Harris Administration announced today the approval of an additional $4.8 billion in student loan debt relief for 80,300 borrowers. These discharges stem from fixes made by the U.S. Department of Education to income-driven repayment (IDR) forgiveness and Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF).
Today's announcement brings the total approved debt cancellation by the Biden-Harris Administration to nearly $132 billion for more than 3.6 million Americans.
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 8, 2024 18:45:56 GMT -7
"But not my loan so fuck him."
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Jan 8, 2024 18:57:29 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Jan 8, 2024 18:57:29 GMT -7
Every night on NBC News there's a story about Biden losing young voters, Biden losing Black voters... You don't think they'd LOVE to do stories about "meanwhile So and So is drawing thousands to her rallies!" just like they did for Bernie?? They had to cover him. But not her. She doesn't have the chutzpah, gravitas, charisma (legislative accomplishments?) or whatever it is necessary to move the needle. She just doesn't. There's no conspiracy. There doesn't need to be. Whether or not you or they think she has the chutzpah, do you honestly not think that she deserves some coverage or a few interviews? That's not a lot ask and these channels are on 24 hours a day. Please tell me that you see the bias afoot
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Jan 8, 2024 18:59:59 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Jan 8, 2024 18:59:59 GMT -7
Now this
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Post by flyinghellphish on Jan 8, 2024 19:18:44 GMT -7
hes going to go nuts by then.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 8, 2024 19:55:57 GMT -7
That's a lot of words bro. I'm not going to go digging it all up but trust me when I say I've been following this fairly closely and williamson has polled around 10% on average for the majority of the time that she's been running. At no point during the duration of the entire race has she gotten any coverage. Nobody except Biden and republicans have gotten any coverage. Idk what else to say except there it is. How 'bout instead of asking people to just trust what you say about polling results that aren't reflected in the mainstream polling aggregate websites and that I can't find with Google searches just make it easy for everybody and post the links to these polls showing Williamson in double digits all over the place that you're referring to. For all I know Google ain't giving me the best results because of my location - sometimes I gotta weed out irrelevant local (to me) results when I search things but on this I'm getting all English language results. I never understand when people make claims which they say are obvious and where they say have proof, but then say they can't be bothered posting links and that people need to do their own research and find this information on their own. I'm not saying you're one of those people because they are always filled with shit and I know you're being sincere in your beliefs - but maybe these polls you're referring to are ancient. I am saying that if I want to prove a point I'm trying to make I'll post links to back up my claims without needing to be asked to do so because it's the fastest and easiest way to make a point without a bunch of time wasting back and forth. Since you're saying you've been following this fairly closely it sounds like you've not only seen these polls showing the support you keep saying she has, but know where to look to find them. So do us a solid. Convince me and other skeptics in the fastest and easiest way possible, post the links, and we'll at least be able to agree on what her current level of support is. As the fond saying here goes: "No. 1s or nans."
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 8, 2024 20:19:05 GMT -7
I have a question: If all this polling that we can see in front of our eyes is saying that Biden is going lose to trump, all the other candidates are intentionally ignored, and Biden is forced upon us, then he loses to Trump. Who's fault is this going to be when we're f'd? Take a look at the polling for the past year. Notice how it's gone up and down, back and forth all of that time. Notice how some polls released at the same time say Trump wins, others say Biden wins. Notice how often the the winning margin is within the margin of error. Look at where a candidate like DeSantis was compared to where he is now. Look back to January '08 (and all of '07) where all of the polls showed Hilary ahead of Obama and then remind yourself who the eventual nominee was. Look back to the 2012 Election when Romney was polling ahead of Obama. Think about how often the polls are going to do the same between now and Election Day. Think about how wrong both the polls and the pundits have been since 2015. Think about how useful polls are that only call landlines. You're stressing because the opposing team kicked a field goal early in the first quarter and your team is down by 3 with plenty of time left in the game. You seem to be under the impression that if your best chance to defeat an opponent looks to be lacking then the solution is to substitute in a demonstrably weaker player instead of building up your best player who is your best chance at victory when it's at the point where you have to announce your intended lineup. Polls are at best an out of focus snapshot of a point in time, not a clear, set in stone, never changing absolute that 100% accurately predicts the future of political races. One poll says this, another poll says the opposite, both are conducted using different (and often leading) questions and methods.
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