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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 24, 2024 10:35:46 GMT -7
I agree with gerg. No story on the Dem side other than Biden winning in a landslide w/o campaigning or his name on the ballot. Anyone interested in taking a deeper dive on the Dem side could go online to any number of websites to read stories and/or follow results in real time - last night Politico and others reported on the results of every candidate. It's just not the case that there was no coverage at all of the Dem primary, maybe just not so much on network news and certainly not as much as Trump/Haley which is where all the interest was.
Nobody wants to watch coverage of the undercard or a blowout game between the first and last place teams if it means taking time away from covering the prize fight/big game. And if Biden is boring, uninspiring, etc. (all of which is true) then why expect the media to devote valuable $ generating airtime to cover his boring race and inevitable nomination when there is no race to cover? It's like throwing a festival and expecting people to buy tix when you've booked shitty bands.
Television is limited by a finite amount of airtime which has a high $ value. Programming execs that focus on boring shit lose viewers, ratings, revenue, and eventually their jobs. Websites can put up any number of stories simultaneously where consumers can choose what they want to read/watch. News programs like NBC are supposed to report on what's happened, not manufacture stories that give equal time to the campaigns and results of 4'th tier candidates. Other media sources can, and do, cover them.
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Post by chronicircle on Jan 24, 2024 10:43:10 GMT -7
its not even giant douche vs turd sandwich anymore...its more like decrepit geezer vs geriatric fuck. and why don't we have age limits for politicians in this country? oh that's right, politicians are power hungry and make all the rules... And old people show up to the polls. i mean sure that's part of it. my point more or less was that there should be age limits for all political offices. why are we letting people who are dying in office (looking at you McConnell and Feinstein) decide how the rest of the populace should live? seems backwards that every other occupation 65 is often considered "retirement age", for politicians those are their golden years.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 24, 2024 10:47:01 GMT -7
Any win by a 5-10% margin is considered a mandate. Over 50% is beyond a blowout. Esp. when you didn't campaign and people had to write you in. Trump, with his name on the ballot, only managed to win by a mere (yet still impressive) 11% (or somewhere around there).
Whichever side loses the general election is gonna be kicking themselves for their obviously bad choice. The GOP at least has a solid B option in Haley. Dems ain't got nobody on the bench ready to go in with the campaign (skills/likeability) necessary to take down either Trump or Haley.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 24, 2024 10:55:46 GMT -7
And old people show up to the polls. i mean sure that's part of it. my point more or less was that there should be age limits for all political offices. why are we letting people who are dying in office (looking at you McConnell and Feinstein) decide how the rest of the populace should live? seems backwards that every other occupation 65 is often considered "retirement age", for politicians those are their golden years. That sounds fair. I'\d be okay with allowing politicians to run their last election up to 65, serve their last term and be out by no later than 71 if they're a Senator. Politicians still would have to cater to older voters since they tend to vote in larger percentages compared to the young. Not everyone is gonna have a career that lasts that long, but I'm alright with someone up to 71 in office. 80's and pushing 80 (esp. for President) just don't make sense.
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Jan 24, 2024 11:32:33 GMT -7
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Post by higs on Jan 24, 2024 11:32:33 GMT -7
And old people show up to the polls. i mean sure that's part of it. my point more or less was that there should be age limits for all political offices. why are we letting people who are dying in office (looking at you McConnell and Feinstein) decide how the rest of the populace should live? seems backwards that every other occupation 65 is often considered "retirement age", for politicians those are their golden years. I'm not disagreeing that there should be an age limit. I'm just pointing out that older folks will show up in droves when you try to set age limits. They seem to take it personally. That is why there is no age limit for operating a motor vehicle in any state in the union. Trying to pass such legislation would be political suicide.
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Post by higs on Jan 24, 2024 11:39:37 GMT -7
Dear Jon Stewart, Please run for president. You're wasting your time talking about these issues on tv. Unless your objective is to make money. Put your money where your mouth is and serve the people what they need. Thanks, Higs Jon Stewart Will Return to Host ‘The Daily Show’ on Mondays www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/arts/television/jon-stewart-daily-show.html
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 24, 2024 12:02:18 GMT -7
I wouldn't be shocked if there was some bombshell Dem Convention drama.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 24, 2024 12:10:11 GMT -7
I wouldn't be shocked if there was some bombshell Dem Convention drama. Let's hope.
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Post by treetophigh on Jan 24, 2024 12:15:26 GMT -7
How wild would it be if undeniable catastrophic legal shit came along concurrently for both Trump and Biden, upending both candidates as not viable for president during the next year.
Its nice to dream, unfortunately, I think anything of that nature would impact Dems worse than Repubs.
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Post by bussit on Jan 24, 2024 13:13:31 GMT -7
I agree with gerg. No story on the Dem side other than Biden winning in a landslide w/o campaigning or his name on the ballot. Anyone interested in taking a deeper dive on the Dem side could go online to any number of websites to read stories and/or follow results in real time - last night Politico and others reported on the results of every candidate. It's just not the case that there was no coverage at all of the Dem primary, maybe just not so much on network news and certainly not as much as Trump/Haley which is where all the interest was. Nobody wants to watch coverage of the undercard or a blowout game between the first and last place teams if it means taking time away from covering the prize fight/big game. And if Biden is boring, uninspiring, etc. (all of which is true) then why expect the media to devote valuable $ generating airtime to cover his boring race and inevitable nomination when there is no race to cover? It's like throwing a festival and expecting people to buy tix when you've booked shitty bands. Television is limited by a finite amount of airtime which has a high $ value. Programming execs that focus on boring shit lose viewers, ratings, revenue, and eventually their jobs. Websites can put up any number of stories simultaneously where consumers can choose what they want to read/watch. News programs like NBC are supposed to report on what's happened, not manufacture stories that give equal time to the campaigns and results of 4'th tier candidates. Other media sources can, and do, cover them. They didn't even have a graphic with numbers on the screen at any point. Not even flashed up there for a millisecond as the talking heads went on and on about Nikki Haley. The republican numbers stayed on the screen the entire time.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 24, 2024 14:07:54 GMT -7
You waited that long to find out the winner without changing the channel or going online to read about the Dem side of the primary? I had a tab open on Politico that I checked once the polls closed, but once I found out who the two winners were and read the vote percentages (no surprises on either) I watched a movie figuring it was a better and more enjoyable use of my time instead of more Trump and the Biden non-story. It all turned out just as the polls predicted.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 24, 2024 14:09:51 GMT -7
How wild would it be if undeniable catastrophic legal shit came along concurrently for both Trump and Biden, upending both candidates as not viable for president during the next year. Its nice to dream, unfortunately, I think anything of that nature would impact Dems worse than Repubs. As long as Trump's name is on the ballot his base will vote for him, even if he's dead. I'll have my fingers crossed that Biden makes it through to election day. Or that if something that would knock him out of the race happens it happens real soon so an electable candidate can replace him. Third stringers ain't gonna cut it.
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Post by bussit on Jan 24, 2024 14:24:07 GMT -7
You waited that long to find out the winner without changing the channel or going online to read about the Dem side of the primary? I had a tab open on Politico that I checked once the polls closed, but once I found out who the two winners were and read the vote percentages (no surprises on either) I watched a movie figuring it was a better and more enjoyable use of my time instead of more Trump and the Biden non-story. It all turned out just as the polls predicted. You are completely missing the point, or pretending to, idk
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 25, 2024 13:46:42 GMT -7
You waited that long to find out the winner without changing the channel or going online to read about the Dem side of the primary? I had a tab open on Politico that I checked once the polls closed, but once I found out who the two winners were and read the vote percentages (no surprises on either) I watched a movie figuring it was a better and more enjoyable use of my time instead of more Trump and the Biden non-story. It all turned out just as the polls predicted. You are completely missing the point, or pretending to, idk I'd ask you the same. Are you completely missing the point of what happened in the NH primary with boring, shitty ass candidate Biden absolutely crushing his opponents without having campaigned or his name being on the ballot with 64% of the vote, 40+ points ahead of his nearest competitor, and your preferred candidate receiving only 4% of the vote? Are you completely missing the point of how the news media operates, makes their money, and what they and their viewers deem to be newsworthy stories worth broadcasting and watching? Are you completely missing the point that anyone, anywhere in the world with an internet connection can follow election results in real time instead of waiting and hoping that one specific network channel will in the specific hour you chose to watch? That in the age of the internet none of this readily available information is being hidden? Are you completely missing the point that Trump is the biggest oxygen sucking media figure of the century and = ratings/revenue gold to the media whereas boring ass Biden is anything but and his margin of victory was completely predictable as reflected in current polling, making his win a non-story since it isn't exactly new(s) whereas the juicy story was how many points would Trump win by and would it be enough to weaken Haley enough to get her to drop out? Are you completely missing the point that no one really gives a shit about the Dem primary, not because of any conspiracy, but because Biden's an incumbent running for reelection in a party that rewards loyalty, learned it's lesson back in '80 on how serious challengers ultimately weaken the nominee, and none of his primary "competitors" have shown they have what it takes to break out and make it a competitive race? My guess is you're just pretending to, that you already knew the results as well as all of the above but preferred to spend an hour of your time hate-watching NBC so you'd have something to complain about. NBC didn't show the results of all of those crushed by Biden. The media is so unfair because they don't give equal time to every single candidate running no matter how miniscule their level of support, 'any Democrat of which could beat Trump in the general election.' It's all so unfair... Why? Can someone explain this to me? Why, why, why didn't NBC show the results, and why didn't they give any explanation of why they weren't showing the results? I don't think it's that you don't understand (at least I hope not), I just think your expectations of how politics and the media actually function sound completely unrealistic. Maybe you realize how unrealistic they sound and you're just using sarcasm (which doesn't always translate online as far as making one's point clear) as a way to deal with your disappointment in politics and the media to blow off some steam. Whatever floats one's boat. Just about everyone here is disappointed in the limited choices we have between shit sandwiches and giant douches. I'm sure everyone here is also aware that mainstream media sucks and that they, like everyone else, has their preferred candidates (those who give them high ratings and/or those with policies favorable to their industry). So most people who are interested in actually being informed spend their time getting their info elsewhere instead of spending that same time hate-watching network news and complaining that Turner Classic Movies isn't showing anything contemporary instead of changing the channel to HBO, Netflix, et. al.. Accept that shit is shit and isn't what we want it to be. Or not. Get your catharsis and scratch your particular itch in whatever way that makes you able deal with all of this bullshit. But please don't try to pass off misinformation on us like we're MAGAbillies who'll believe anything because someone says 'trust me, I've been following this closely.' What works for me is a life lesson my dad would tell me when I was a little boy complaining about the unfairness of something - "Who told you life was fair?"
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Post by bussit on Jan 25, 2024 16:12:33 GMT -7
It's just you that's missing the point. Carry on
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Post by danimal on Jan 25, 2024 16:32:00 GMT -7
Just vote for Biden and then you can still rock that "Don't blame me, I voted for Marianne Williamson" bumper sticker and we promise not to out you. No one will know what it means anyway.
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 25, 2024 16:58:28 GMT -7
I wanted to vote for Nikki Haley in the Arizona Republican Primary but it appears she will not get a chance to proceed.
Michelle Obama 2032!
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Post by bussit on Jan 25, 2024 18:33:13 GMT -7
Just vote for Biden and then you can still rock that "Don't blame me, I voted for Marianne Williamson" bumper sticker and we promise not to out you. No one will know what it means anyway. I would sport it.
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Post by hokiejoe on Jan 31, 2024 5:52:15 GMT -7
Good lord.
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Post by goodtimes on Feb 2, 2024 9:34:35 GMT -7
I saw the video. That's guys head in clear plastic bag. He only holds the head up for about 4 seconds before his 10 minute rant. So I wasn't too scarred.
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