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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 22, 2015 14:33:10 GMT -7
Take it easy, dude. I was just asking. There was nothing whining about my post at all. I don't even know what you suggest I'm whining about. I have no idea who exactly you work for. I never suggested you work for a ginormous multi-national because I have no idea. I'm not making anything about you personally. You made a post, I responded, just like I did when stoops posted and I asked for clarification. I remember you enjoying it and egging me on when I asked stoops to clarify his positions. For a while I was calling out lolvolcano on his posts about America/NY being ripoffs but not doing anything about it, like moving somewhere else less ripoffy. He had no problem responding directly to me, often times with humor. I gave him points (+17) for that. When I question poo on the political posts/positions he makes, he responds to the topic without making the mistake of thinking I'm making it personal. To me, constantly bringing up the fact that poo works for family (as if somehow that's a terrible thing) and attaching a negative connotation to that (while making up things about his reliance on that job when it's obvious that you don't know that to be the case and are just lashing out) is making things personal. Not interested. I'd rather just call him out on his politics when I disagree with him.
I was just wondering why someone who complains about corporations would work for one. Not you specifically, anyone, though because you post here and work in the financial sector (which tends to be corporate) it seems you'd be a good person to ask. I've already explained at the old place what I did to attempt to change the world /system - front line actions against logging companies that rape the earth. I'm satisfied with my past actions and that I did more than most when it comes to walking the walk instead of just talk, talk, talk while walking a different path. Having done that, I'm now more interested in what I can do to change myself and find that changing ones immediate surroundings is more effective for me than trying to change the world at large. I still support people who are able to do so, but I'm self aware enough to know that I don't have that kind of power and I don't really believe the little guy trying to change the system from within the system is effective, or we wouldn't be having these conversations. The little guy(s) who preceded us would have already changed the system for the better.
I was expecting a more positive answer, like I work for a partnership or a sole proprietor and/or my firm specializes in suggesting green/sustainable/OG/non-GMO/etc. investments or something along those lines. Even a 'yeah, I know it seems contradictory, but it's what I do, I enjoy it, I'm good at it, and it provides me with a better than average living compared to other things I might do instead,' not a defensive response that didn't really do much to clarify your position, but instead tried to make it all about you by falsely suggesting that my intention was to make it personal. True, you don't have to justify yourself to me. Usually when people post opinions on the Internet they're not adverse to further discussing, explaining, or answering questions about those stated opinions instead of doing a type of hit & run, post an opinion and defensively refuse to discuss that opinion any further. I guess I (perhaps others) will fill in the blanks with our own assumptions of where you are in the "big war" of corporations vs. people since you choose to get defensive and try to suggest it's personal, even when it's not. Not that I'm suggesting you care or are concerned about that. You seem confident enough in yourself not to bother. Good for you. Glad you can lol.
People who are sensitive to having their posts/positions on politics, society, or just about anything questioned should probably think twice about posting on Interweb forums 'cause there's always going to be someone who questions their position. Sorry if that bothers you when it's you and not stoops or poo who's having their opinions questioned, but it's one of the things people do on forums. A blog where the blogger can disable comments is probably a better fit for them. I'm a critical thinker; Logic & Language was my favorite class in college. I asked out of curiosity, not for judgmental purposes. I have contradictions myself in what I believe and how I live life, which I'll freely admit. I'm far from perfect, whatever perfect means. Feel free to question me on my posts. I'll either defend my position if I think you're wrong, you misunderstood me, if I think I didn't make myself clear, or I'll admit that you have a point, you're right and I'm wrong or I'm a walking contradiction on the particular issue. My ego is such that I have no problems admitting when I'm wrong, someone else's point is more valid, or if I feel the need to apologize. If I don't respond directly when questioned and instead try to suggest the person questioning my opinion is trying to make it personal/all about ME please send me the Internet equivalent of a virtual bitch slap. Is there an emoticon for that?
You said being consistent in your posts isn't why you're here. You're here for fun and games. If that's the case, you're telling us you look at this all as a game but instead imagine that when someone questions your posts it's someone going after you personally. Even if it were (in someone else's case, not my own), if it's truly just a game for you, it shouldn't make you react defensively being it's only a game. No need to get upset over someone trumping you in a game of bridge or buying that piece of property you had your eye on in Monopoly. You can try to make it seem that I'm trying to make it personal and all about you, and not the contents of your posts if you'd like, but it's not the case. I like this forum because it's a place to not only talk about music, but it's a gathering of relatively like minded people who talk about things both serious(ly) and goof(il)y across a broad range of topics. I don't know anyone here personally (not that I wouldn't mind to) and am primarily interested in their posts and what they have to say as opposed to them personally. I may be interested in your posts and what you have to say but I'm not at all interested in creating a thread about you, as much as you might like to think I would, or perhaps want me (or someone else) to. Even if I did, I probably wouldn't have to. If this place is like the old forum, I wouldn't be surprised if there was soon to be a 'Things I want to post because I can' type of thread, eliminating the need for me or anyone else to create a thread all-about-you. Like the lack of a direct response to the both the topic and your post speaks volumes, the desire to make things personal and all about you when they're not is very........telling? Have a good rest of your day, dude.
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 6:14:08 GMT -7
are you whining about me again? wow. thats hysterical to me.. thanks. really
ive explained this many many times. im part of the system.. dont matter what i do, im still part of the system.
this is so very easy to understand. im not going to pretend like you that im not part of the system and hide in the jungle.
are you familiar with YOU VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS.. well i believe that so if i want more votes i need more dollars.
the dollars are not going to overthrow the system clearly but they can help change subsets of the system, namely food, personal care products, ect.. so thats my aim.
to replace the system will require WE the Poeple to be on the same page. they are not. and require us to stop Using FED notes which have inflation built into the system.
i really dont want to hide out int the jungle like you.
you still buy stuff from multi-national corps do you not.?
you buy oil based products, fly ect?
what is it you do to change the world for the better if anything?
and if all your posts talk about me and not the topic it is personal.
if you cant see that then i cant help you.
for God sakes, you whined because i POSTED an image and the font was big.
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 6:16:31 GMT -7
Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
read your posts
are you talking ideas or people.
looks like people to me.
and you really dont have a postion to defend.
all you do is talk about me
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 8:31:14 GMT -7
I think you're just sore because I'm the latest of many who've dared to question the consistency of your posts. My mistake since you did say that you're not concerned with what you post being consistent.
Not that it's important, but I live in the mountains, not the jungle. Not too into extreme heat and humidity and prefer the eternal spring climate where I live. I'm also not hiding, and have no idea why you would suggest that someone who voluntarily chooses to live abroad is hiding. What do you find wrong with someone choosing to live a simpler life in a real jungle, the Amazon, as opposed to merely existing in the concrete jungle that constitutes much of the US? Why do you think they're hiding? Because they don't want to live a life in the rat race and have the courage to forge their own path and live life more on their own terms as opposed to following the well worn path of the normal US birth>school>work>death paradigm? I live in Arequipa, Peru, Cayma district. I live here because I enjoy Latino culture, food, people, ideals, etc.. Live is more agreeable to me here than it was in the states, and because I'm not a slave I decided to change that which I could and live permanently instead of just six months out of the year in a place I enjoy. I'm a minamlist so I don't really buy stuff. I buy most everything local. There's far less imports available compared to the US. Life is much simpler, in a good way, without all the clutter. Not only is there no Wal-Mart, there's not even a local equivalent. One of the many reasons I enjoy living here. My camera gear and other electronics are from multinationals, but whose isn't? But I tend not to go around posting on a fairly regular basis about the evils of multinational corporations and other things I take part in (even if only on a tiny level) because I would feel like a hypocrite since there are campesinos here who live totally off the land and though they have cell phones, don't have much else in the way of multi-national corporation manufactured products. I'll admit to having inconsistencies in my life, but I'm self aware of them and try not to broadcast these inconsistencies. Yeah, even though my footprint is far smaller than the average Amercian, the country that consumes the most resources in the world and where consumption is a religion, I occasionally fly, I do use petroleum based products, etc., but I don't believe in being a vocal hypocrite and preach, preach, preach one thing while practicing another so that it makes me less guilty for living my lifestyle or that I feel that by preaching I'm actually doing something that has a noticeable effect. For a spell I took direct actions that even though caused millions of dollars of damage to earth moving/destroying equipment ultimately only temporarily slowed down the actions of logging companies and their clear cuts. I know my words in my preachier days had far less effect than my actions. If all of this somehow means I'm "hiding in the jungle" to you then I guess we just have vastly different ideas and concepts of what it means to live life and how one actually goes about that. That's okay. It takes all kinds.
I already explained several times what I did to try to effect change/make the world a better place. It was more direct action, front line, high risk of getting arrested for my beliefs, making my actions fit my words instead of just voting with my dollars (which isn't really saying much, since everyone already votes with their dollars whether they acknowledge it or not, be it voting for healthy OG local food or a preference for highly processed BIg Ag GMO - a vote's a vote.) I understand that living in the woods, and/or taking direct action where putting your personal freedoms on the line for what you believe in isn't for everyone. "are you familiar with YOU VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS.. well i believe that so if i want more votes i need more dollars." sounds very Koch Brothers/consumerist to me, and a way to justify wanting to make and spend money, but if it's what you believe.... I believe that it doesn't take money to effect change. I believe my direct action had a greater effect than my purchase decisions. I look at significant historical figures such as Jesus, Gandhi, MLK Jr., and it wasn't money which caused them to be agents of change against the systems of their times, it was their direct actions. It's too bad that in the current system it's money that's believed to be necessary to effect change buy buying elections, politicians. Should I change my focus from personal to global change I'll go back to direct action instead of checkbook activism,
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 9:30:15 GMT -7
its wonderful you have taken it upon yourself to monitor me.
as you said i said im not here to be consistent.. im here to have fun.. i used to try to have rational discussions.. i did with you.
but of course you wanted to make it about me.
so i am confused to why you expect consistency.
also, dont you need to know the context of the current post im posting, am i being sarcastic, funny, serious ect before you can judge consistency? i think so.
do you really think you know me well enough to know this.. i dont think you do at all..
and the big thing is you change what i post than challenge me on what you changed. i did not say that you did.
its impossible for me to be consistent with what you believe i said.. only with what i truly said.
im no mind reader.
it will be easier if you just use the words i say and stop changing them as you are typically way off when you change them.
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 9:32:04 GMT -7
and you cant assume what i post is a firm belief. i have few firm beliefs.
i find discussing things from different angles sometimes brings about views im not familiar with.
thats my goal.
being consistent for you not so much
i hope this resonates with you and you can stop your nonsense
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 9:33:59 GMT -7
and there are many paths to change..
im no Gandi, or MLK
i do what i can do.
judge away even though you dont know me at all.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 11:27:19 GMT -7
Okay. But I never once assumed you were "being consistent for me," but that you would for all of the forum and as an honest and sincere expression of your positions and beliefs. At least when it came to posts about politics and society. Apparently I was off and wrong on that, but now that I know that I won't assume you're doing anything but playing a game when you post about topics I previously thought you took seriously. I guess when people call you out or criticize your positions you should take it in the same vein that. You made the posts in the first place since it's only a game. Nothing to get upset about. It's true I don't know you. That's why we can only judge the character of other forum members by their posts. Since it's human nature to judge each other and our situations you can feel free to judge me by my words and how they align with my actions, because I tend to say what I believe and be sincere when it comes to politics, society, and more serious topics. I know better now that your posts can not be judged as anything but games, which inevitably creates an entirely different judgement about you when your posts are read; it's all just a game. My mistake as I thought you were one of the people here who had serious things to say on a wide range of topics and felt passionate about what he had to say, not someone like stoops who I always thought just posted his shit to get under skin and wasn't either serious or sincere in what he had to say. Play on.
So I don't assume, what's up with the whole "hiding in the jungle" thing you've repeatedly accused me of, even though I've said several times I live in the mountains in a high desert climate? What makes you believe I'm hiding and what does that even mean? Because I choose to live in a country outside of the US? And what do you have against living in the jungle? Something wrong with that? A lot of good things come out of the Amazonian jungle so I don't get why living there would be used to imply a put down such as "hiding?" From what, exactly, am I "hiding?" The McKenna brothers spent a lot of time in the Amazon. You are familiar with who they are and their work in the Amazon jungle?
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 11:38:34 GMT -7
then why are you questioning my consistency?
as i said, i dont really have many strong beliefs.
i post to improve my concept/ knowledge base.. this may entail debating and debaters often have to debate each side.
i like to work thru ideas on here. im sure you can get down with that.
it can be illuminating
and in the end it shouldn't matter what i believe if you are discussing ideas and concepts on their merits. am i right?
the problem occurs when you go ad hominem and go after the person not the concept which you are doing to me.
you are not even close to having a clear picture about what i am.
i used the hiding in the jungle to give you a taste of your own medicine
how does it taste?
im happy to have rational discussions with you but not if every post involves tearing apart what YOU THINK i mean.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 11:51:59 GMT -7
Taste if my own medicine? I don't get it. In regards to what? What medicine do you feel I dished out that is being returned to me by saying "I'm hiding in the jungle?" I only questioned you on the dissonance of preaching against corporations and the financial system while not only living in that system (as you say we all do) but actually working in and for that system. I don't see the "hiding in the jungle" correlation. If you thought I was putting you down as opposed to asking a simple question that's been asked by several others here, where and what is the putdown your giving me as a taste of my own medicine" in suggesting I'm "hiding in the jungle?" How does it taste, you ask? Confusing. Bland. Like I don't know what the chef was intending with this particular dish.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 11:55:21 GMT -7
What kind of lack of consistency or dissonance are you suggesting I have by suggesting I'm "hiding in the jungle?"
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 11:59:35 GMT -7
I'm just not feeling the burn/bern of the medicine you think you're giving me a taste of.
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 23, 2015 12:01:04 GMT -7
im not suggesting anything by that post.. i just wanted to show you the dynamic you are using on me.
making the discussion about me instead of ideas..
whether im consistent or not has no bearing on the validity of the concept does it? you seem to think it does so i guess thats what our issue is.
you think talking about me defeats/challenges the core concept being discussed.
i dont think it does.
we can talk ideas if you like but ive no interest in talking about you... sorry.
you been talking about me since the Bond thread and trying to point out issues you have with me that i care nothing about
you use the word YOU far to much to be interested in actually discussing ideas.
i get your playing a game and have been
i tried
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 12:51:57 GMT -7
"whether im consistent or not has no bearing on the validity of the concept does it?"
We'll never know when it comes to what you post since you admit that what you post is only for fun and games. Sometimes what the jester says may be valid, but no one takes the jester seriously, so why bother trying to determine the validity of what he says? When it comes to more serious topics I put more stock in the words of someone who means what he says instead of someone who admits their intent is all fun and games. It's as if they're as believable as a liar, just without having the bad intent of the liar to intentionally deceive. I just can't be bothered figuring out whether what someone says is valid or not once some tells me they're not to be taken seriously; especially when their words don't sync with their actions. They're words carry far less meaning. It's like how people say they prefer politicians and people in general who speak directly and are straight shooters, not someone they feel whose words and actions are inconsistent and is playing games when it comes to what they say. Someone who preaches one thing while doing the opposite (I'm thinking all those Christian televangelists who get caught up in scandals) may be valid in what they preach, but it's impossible not to notice that they don't practice what they preach. Maybe that doesn't mean anything or is unimportant to you, but it is to me. It's more telling of their character than whether what they have to say is valid or not.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 23, 2015 13:47:18 GMT -7
When I said it's human nature to judge each other's characters based on posts I think it would be better, and more accurate, to say forming an opinion. We all form opinions of people here based on what they post. Nothing wrong with forming or having an opinion.
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Sept 24, 2015 9:41:26 GMT -7
I went to a fundraising event last night that my friends band was playing... Picked up the spoken word album he was featured on from the 80's. It is GOLD #feelthebern
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 24, 2015 11:19:12 GMT -7
i think when i called out using rotten tomatoes as group think set this whole thing off.. i dont think big swifty liked the fact that i pointed out the same masses that make his movie decisions also like Nickelback
hmmmm
not he picks out words, takes them out of context and calls me out for what he said.
its pretty funny to me
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 24, 2015 14:18:27 GMT -7
Define group think as you'd like. No skin off my back. I never said I let a website make decisions for me on what to see, only that I see nothing wrong in gathering information from other sources to help in my decision making process which in the case of movies is primarily based on my past experiences of viewing other films of the director/actor. Focus on that all you want or on the fact that I find nothing wrong in consulting the opinions of others for information on a movie, a restaurant, a hotel, an airline, reading reviews by other photographers on a lens I might want to buy, consulting an app that gives me traffic reports or the Weather Channel before I set off, etc.. IMO it's good to be an educated consumer and better to have more reliable information at my disposal as opposed to less when making decisions. Though if you believe making decisions knowing the opinions of others and having more rather than less information creates preconceptions of good/bad on any of the above, or that what food you should buy in the market based on a label creates preconceptions of good/bad or even asking the forum here whether you should spend money to go see Black Sabbath amounts to subjecting yourself to groupthink you should probably never consult food labels, traffic/weather reports, restaurant/yuppie resort reviews, ask for advice or do any kind of research next time you're looking to buy a car, computer, or any kind of purchase/how to spend your time decision. Probably better for you to go it completely alone when making all of your decisions on how best to spend your time and money.
I've made that clear several times. Whether you want to take me at my word or not, or if you want to insist on interpreting it another way or continue to pretend (?) that you don't understand I'm not going to cry. I think anyone else who has, or is still following this all can clearly see my intention and point. Having read other posts from several members (notably in the "things I post 'cause I can' thread, which was a classic btw, 'Thread of the Year' worthy, where nearly ever post from everyone who posted was quite.....telling) I'm confident that just about everyone on the forum knows and understands what I've been talking about. As you and we all know, this isn't the first time you've heard any of this or the first time someone has questioned you on loudly preaching one thing (valid as it may be) while practicing another. I'll take the many, many other instances of pretty much the same exact thing being said to you by several different members here as a sign that I'm being understood. You can go ahead and call that groupthink too if you'd like. I'm thinking those who posted similarly before me would take it with the same amount of seriousness as I would. Are you familiar with the idea that when several people are of the same opinion on an interpersonal matter and it's you alone it's a sign that it's probably not them, it's you? At some point (hopefully) poo will realize that when it comes to his thing with Wally/censorship it's not everyone else, it's him. It takes a certain amount of self awareness to reach that point of understanding about a situation. Or you could just keep stubbornly saying it's not you, it's all of us subjecting ourselves to groupthink.
I've already formed my opinion of all of this based on the information available and filling in the blanks when I asked for clarification and none was given. Just like "whether im consistent or not has no bearing on the validity of the concept does it?" is true, it's also true that the validity of the opinion I've formed and the conclusion I've drawn isn't dependent on your opinion of my conclusion. I'm not suggesting in any way that you care about my opinion/conclusion, but my opinion/conclusion is what is. Since this seems to have reached the immovable object meeting the unstoppable force stage, and since your rebuttals only seem to be getting more irrelevant and sounding of desperation (like the jungle thing, Nickelback, etc.) and since this only seems to be going in silly circles, I'm going to check out. Feel free to have the last word or continue on in any way you'd like. At best you're just reconfirming the opinions and conclusions I, and several others, have come to.
Namaste, oh ENLIGHTENED one
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Post by treetophigh on Sept 26, 2015 19:03:41 GMT -7
Hey guys, you are not having a political discussion. Move it to the general discussion board please. We need to respect the order here...
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Post by senatooorofspace on Oct 16, 2015 5:27:02 GMT -7
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