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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 24, 2015 8:08:30 GMT -7
Focusing primarily on the drummers instead of Jerry's health, Phil's interest or lack thereof, the length of Bobby's shorts, who's on keys, etc., what do you think was the best drumming situation for the band?
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Post by lovejahlive on Sept 24, 2015 8:12:26 GMT -7
I REALLY want to like Mickey. But he sucks.
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Post by frododoknobo on Sept 24, 2015 8:13:35 GMT -7
See the porch thread.
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Post by waldowally on Sept 24, 2015 8:16:38 GMT -7
Mickey is terrible.
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Sept 24, 2015 8:17:54 GMT -7
Bill Kreutzmann is always porch.
always.
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Post by saulgoodman on Sept 24, 2015 8:19:08 GMT -7
I like Mickey but more as a percussionist than core drummer. Put another way: when he supplements, he's awesome; when he complements, not as much. Still, I like them best in the late 60's, but then, I liked everybody better in the late 60's. I also thought that while they could be terribly sleepy some nights in the 80's and 90's, they were creating more original sound than the rest of the band at the end and not resting in their comfort zone as frequently.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 24, 2015 8:23:44 GMT -7
It's interesting how the dynamic of two drummers was so different the first time compared to post-retirement. First time around it was crackling with energy and really added to the music. Second time it seemed to just lumber a good part of the time and drained possibility from some of the songs, as if they wee too much in synch and intentionally kept the playing simple.
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 24, 2015 8:26:26 GMT -7
It is true Mickeys strengths are in percussives and not the kit but he sounds great playing with another kit drummer, like when David Garibaldi was kit drummer for Planet Drum, superb!
Billy the drummer is a naturally gifted drummer and his timing and memory has improved greatly, especially in say the past ten years. I am voting Rhythm Devils
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 24, 2015 8:28:28 GMT -7
i like mickey as a percussionist.. makes things more complex.
just started reading Billy's book deal
i love planet drum and other stuff by mickey
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Post by badgerboy on Sept 24, 2015 8:28:47 GMT -7
Def. gonna go with Porch but I got to say the Drumz and space at dead 50 was SUPER SPACE shit it was so awesome. Idk I mean I was space, it was space everything was space. It was a great moment in my life as a wook
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Post by saulgoodman on Sept 24, 2015 8:29:03 GMT -7
It's interesting how the dynamic of two drummers was so different the first time compared to post-retirement. First time around it was crackling with energy and really added to the music. Second time it seemed to just lumber a good part of the time and drained possibility from some of the songs, as if they wee too much in synch and intentionally kept the playing simple. this^ |
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 25, 2015 0:17:43 GMT -7
i like mickey as a percussionist.. makes things more complex. just started reading Billy's book deal i love planet drum and other stuff by mickey I will start Deal after the three other books I have on deck. I bet it is a great read |
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Post by treetophigh on Sept 25, 2015 2:40:48 GMT -7
Mickey is my favorite, hahaha
I just like that he goes weird, and his solo stuff is what made me like him so much. Used to have a ot of it during the early DL thread stuff. I dont own any music anymore.
He might suck, idk
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Post by lordkundalini on Sept 25, 2015 6:43:36 GMT -7
did not know that Mickey taught billy lots.. Deal is def interesting
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Post by hokiejoe on Sept 25, 2015 6:59:27 GMT -7
In the early days they could get things rocking when on the same page. In the latter days Mickey seemed to only be there to bang on the beast for 10 minutes during D/S. Mickey turned into a less talented Sunny Ortiz.
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Post by chiefbrody on Sept 25, 2015 8:12:23 GMT -7
solo porch the best
Deal is great. He just rips on everyone except Jerry and does druugz
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Post by saulgoodman on Sept 25, 2015 8:28:48 GMT -7
In the early days they could get things rocking when on the same page. In the latter days Mickey seemed to only be there to bang on the beast for 10 minutes during D/S. Mickey turned into a less talented Sunny Ortiz. I think WSP and GD make for a pretty interesting comparison as to the drumming combos (though I guess any multiple drummer band naturally compares to the others since there are relatively few of them--more in the jamband scene, but still . . .).
The thing to me is that Billy could anchor the Dead all by himself (though I voted for the 68-71 pairing, so I do prefer the tandem approach), and that, I feel, always left Mickey a little unsure of what he needed to be adding. On the other hand, while I guess Todd could anchor Panic by himself, seems like it would be awfully boring. I always wondered if Todd and Sunny had more of an actual understanding toward their union than Billy and Mickey did. As we've been discussing here for a couple of days now, GD drumming is loose! Panic is much tighter, and what I wonder is whether its intentional on Todd's part to be the metronome he is and avoid fills because Sunny is there to complete those empty spaces.
However, and I know this will get some whiskey bottles flying my way if overheard at a Panic show, I definitely preferred what I heard this summer with Duane in that spot. He was more active than Todd, but he managed to still leave plenty of space for Sunny (while at the same time Assuaging Dave's compulsion to think he must fit his big ass into any empty space), so I actually thought Panic sounded much better with Duane back there.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 25, 2015 8:35:33 GMT -7
I've always liked King Crimson with two drummers and the whole 'double trio' thing.
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Post by chiefbrody on Sept 25, 2015 8:41:28 GMT -7
saul is all aboard the DUANE TUANE
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Post by badgerboy on Sept 25, 2015 9:13:55 GMT -7
In the early days they could get things rocking when on the same page. In the latter days Mickey seemed to only be there to bang on the beast for 10 minutes during D/S. Mickey turned into a less talented Sunny Ortiz. I think WSP and GD make for a pretty interesting comparison as to the drumming combos (though I guess any multiple drummer band naturally compares to the others since there are relatively few of them--more in the jamband scene, but still . . .).
The thing to me is that Billy could anchor the Dead all by himself (though I voted for the 68-71 pairing, so I do prefer the tandem approach), and that, I feel, always left Mickey a little unsure of what he needed to be adding. On the other hand, while I guess Todd could anchor Panic by himself, seems like it would be awfully boring. I always wondered if Todd and Sunny had more of an actual understanding toward their union than Billy and Mickey did. As we've been discussing here for a couple of days now, GD drumming is loose! Panic is much tighter, and what I wonder is whether its intentional on Todd's part to be the metronome he is and avoid fills because Sunny is there to complete those empty spaces.
However, and I know this will get some whiskey bottles flying my way if overheard at a Panic show, I definitely preferred what I heard this summer with Duane in that spot. He was more active than Todd, but he managed to still leave plenty of space for Sunny (while at the same time Assuaging Dave's compulsion to think he must fit his big ass into any empty space), so I actually thought Panic sounded much better with Duane back there.
Yeah Duane really lifted the bands jamming. I was on board with him. Sorry Todd. But the comment saying that Sunny has no talent is much more offensive and whisky bottle throwing worthy. If you wana talk about an extra percussionist who sucks look at UM lol does that guy do anything. Sunny freaking rocks. Saying he has no talent is silly. If you said that about todd I would say nothing ha. |
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