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Dec 21, 2017 12:47:04 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 21, 2017 12:47:04 GMT -7
it is interesting in that it confirms the Gov is very interesting in UFO's. which tells me they haven't ruled them out as they keep researching
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Dec 21, 2017 12:48:21 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 21, 2017 12:48:21 GMT -7
Of course you do. Big shocker there. well.. good.. . we are on the same page., unless you felt it was an announcement.. did you? i merely posted data not an opinion.. im sure you didn't jump to some premature conclusion did you?
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Dec 21, 2017 13:28:31 GMT -7
Post by Fake Prez on Dec 21, 2017 13:28:31 GMT -7
CNN)"The Truth is out There." This tagline of the 1990s television show "The X-Files" could be considered the battle cry of those people who think that not only are UFOs (unidentified flying objects) real and extraterrestrials among us, but that the government knows and is covering it up.
In a "truth is stranger than fiction" moment, the New York Times reported that in 2007, the US Defense Department created a shadowy agency called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. This agency was tasked with investigating reports by military pilots and others of unexplained lights in the sky they encountered over the course of their work, with many reports being near nuclear facilities. The funding for this program was modest, a mere $22 million over several years compared to the Defense Department's $600 billion annual budget. Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time, initiated the program through an earmark negotiated with a couple of other senators.
Much of the funding went to Robert Bigelow, owner of a successful aerospace research company and longtime UFO enthusiast. Bigelow was also a friend of Reid. Other commentators will offer their opinion on the political implications of a secret government program run by a friend of a powerful senator. Politics aren't my forte. I'm much more interested in the program from a technical point of view. For generations, sober observers have reported unexplained lights in the sky. As far as the general public is concerned, perhaps the first report was made on June 24, 1947 by Kenneth Arnold near Mt. Rainier in Washington state. This was the start of a UFO craze that has never really left us. Believers will tell you that at least some of the observations are extraterrestrial craft -- messengers from another planet. It's perhaps important to remember that observations by military pilots weren't always regarded as extraterrestrials. In fact, during World War II, pilots returning from bombing runs over occupied Europe reported distant lights that would follow them. They even had a name for them, "foo fighters," and the consensus was that these lights were some sort of German weapon or an attempt to disrupt the airplane's electrical system. The important point is that this unexplained phenomenon was thought to be a weapon of earthly origin and not a craft from another star. And, when you get right down to it, this is a much more plausible explanation than little green men. And an unexplained weapon is of concern to any military. As early as 1947, the American military set up a task force to investigate the reports. The most famous of these efforts was Project Blue Book, which ran from 1952-1970. Over the years, they investigated 12,618 sightings and were able to explain most of them as planes, cloud formations, satellites and the like. However, not all sightings could be easily dismissed, and 701 reports are still classified as "unidentified." Follow CNN Opinion
Mind you, unidentified doesn't mean flying saucer or a Russian superweapon. It merely means unidentified. Without a doubt, most of these remaining unexplained observations have an unremarkable origin. When Project Blue Book shut down, the military concluded that there was no indication that the observations were a danger to national security, that there was no evidence that the reports could be explained as a weapon developed by an unfriendly nation, and that there was no reason to believe that we were being visited by extraterrestrials. UFO proponents might passionately disagree with these conclusions, but they were reasonable ones. The revelation of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program makes clear that it was basically a new incarnation of Project Blue Book. Reports of lights in the sky by sober and well-intentioned military pilots needed to be understood. While the most likely origin is faulty instrumentation, pilot error, or simply misidentified common phenomena, it is obviously worth looking into. After all, at least a few of the reports could be interesting. And there is no question, if they are real, that we should understand what they are.
Though saying so will no doubt result in my inbox blowing up, I personally think it is very unlikely that what these pilots are reporting turns out to be an unfriendly superweapon or an alien craft. But I also would like to see that these reports are investigated, under the premise that the best science is done when as many opinions are considered as possible, preferably in the open and subject to peer review. But let me tell you why I think the reports of possible flying saucers are overblown. The reports of UFOs being near nuclear facilities is reminiscent of many 1950s movies, but there would be no need for alien craft to get close to power plants or nuclear weapons depots. After all, humans have launched satellites that can photograph objects as small as a foot (and that's the publicly stated capability -- it could be that classified capabilities are even better). Presumably an alien race with technology that allows for interstellar travel will have superior cameras. So why would flying saucers buzz earthly installations? More broadly, what need is there for craft to surreptitiously enter the atmosphere? After all, we are broadcasting our culture into space. Why not just watch the NFL playoffs from orbit? Granted, it is hard to know the psychology and motivations of an alien, but it seems that a sufficiently advanced civilization could be more surreptitious if that were important to them. And if they didn't care about being detected, why the hiding? While I think it is very unlikely that there is anything alien about UFO reports, this doesn't mean that I think they shouldn't be investigated. After all, finding out that we are not alone in the universe would be one of the seminal moments in the history of mankind. If there is any chance at all that it could be true, it's worth spending a nominal amount of our national budget to check it out. And if these reports were a new super weapon, it would be irresponsible for the military not to investigate.
Former official on UFOs: We might not be alone But I think that if we believe that these sightings are of extraterrestrial origin, we should also adequately fund the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) program, which uses large radio receivers to search for transmissions from nearby stars. Given the very real difficulty involved in interstellar travel, it seems that our first inkling that we are not alone will come from a radio broadcast and not a visit. (And yes, maybe warp drive or hyperspace or wormholes are real. I'll believe it when I see it.) Personally, I am fascinated with the idea that there exists intelligent life other than our own. And I think that the government should openly fund modest efforts to investigate these sightings because of the possibility -- no matter how slight -- that they are visits from our hypothetical interstellar cousins. It is very important that we remain extremely skeptical of any claims of intelligent extraterrestrial life, but perhaps another "X-Files" tagline is appropriate: I want to believe. And the truth really is out there.
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Dec 21, 2017 14:20:47 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Dec 21, 2017 14:20:47 GMT -7
I don't think they ever left. Often I tend to wonder did they put us here on earth? according to Drunvalo Melchizedek we were bred to mine gold.. his books The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life: vol 1 and 2 have a pretty interesting alternative history of Earth. he goes into the MerKaBa quite a bit and the end of Vol. 2 has some techniques for utilizing the sexual energy of orgasm and how to focus it www.drunvalo.net/www.drunvalo.org/i dont think they ever left either, well not all of them. be it base on dark side of moon, or perhaps the whole moon, or transdimensinal beings with a gate at Mt. Shasta (the lemurians) or deep in the ocean or somewhere deep in the Earth Does he explain why an alien race that has the technology to travel the distances across space/time necessary to visit Earth would be interested in something like gold? It sounds like man having the technology the travel across the same amount of time/space to go to a planet to breed creatures as significant to us as ants to mine sand - or gold for that matter. With all that technology what'd be the point?
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Dec 21, 2017 14:31:12 GMT -7
via mobile
Post by higs on Dec 21, 2017 14:31:12 GMT -7
2+2= Potato
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Dec 21, 2017 14:36:10 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 21, 2017 14:36:10 GMT -7
i still get a rush when i think of the UFO that flew over our house twice and made a hard left turn.. also shot out a brilliant blast of light right before its second run over the house. definitely not a chopper or fixed wing craft.
i certainly dont assume its was ET in origin in this day and age but none the less
it was awesome!!!!!!!!! we were jacked for weeks over the incident.
consider all rule nothing out
believe as little as you need to conduct your life as what you dont know may change everything dramatically and change does seem to be the universal constant
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Dec 21, 2017 15:03:01 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Dec 21, 2017 15:03:01 GMT -7
Why would such an advanced race from a distant part of space use their advanced technology to travel all this way to breed humans to mine gold and yet allow the subjects of their breeding project to shape the commodity they've traveled great distances for to shape it into marijuana leaf pendants to wear as adornments if it was of such great value?
Why is it possible, even easy, for the subjects of their breeding project to buy gold all over the world if we are supposed to be mining it for them?
What is it about gold that makes such a journey and project worthwhile. If man were to ever have the technology necessary to travel such great spans of time/distance, would we undertake the journey to breed an insignificant life form to mine gold? Why?
I'm guessing Drunvalo Melchizedek has no credible proof to support his claims that we were bred to mine gold or any of the rest of it, but it doesn't matter to those who find those claims sound interesting.
I'm guessing these questions will go unanswered. Easier to ignore the obvious questions of logic of the skeptical than face them head on. Telling.
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Dec 22, 2017 10:20:09 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 22, 2017 10:20:09 GMT -7
and the thing is all you need is one alien. thats it.. 1 alien out of billions, trillions coming to this backwater planet for what ever reason and we have visitation
i think its safe to assume that at least some aliens, if they exist, have individuality and various tastes. would humans be the main focus of galactic command or whatever? doubtful. but for a select few? why not
if only we could read minds of those in distant galaxies,systems or behind cloaked ships or what ever.
but to assume we know an aliens intent, needs, desires is a giant FAIL
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Dec 22, 2017 10:25:40 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 22, 2017 10:25:40 GMT -7
take Egypt for example.. what if the Gods they dealt with were Aliens.
that would be pretty cool to be God of a planet.
i think most could see the appeal in that if not having that want.
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Dec 22, 2017 10:33:09 GMT -7
Post by bussit on Dec 22, 2017 10:33:09 GMT -7
There is no way that a spaceship traversed open space to get here. It's too far. If they have the technology to fold space or access some other dimension or something then I doubt if they need to mine gold or any other resources. Also there are probably planets made of gold out there somewhere that they could "jump" to. Trump should roll up into area51 and get to the bottom of all this. Do any of you basers have twitter?
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Dec 22, 2017 11:31:39 GMT -7
via mobile
Post by higs on Dec 22, 2017 11:31:39 GMT -7
But... Potato.
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Post by lovejahlive on Dec 22, 2017 12:21:49 GMT -7
what they told me was "there are no aliens" fwiw. ...in the future past
I'm still skeptical
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Dec 23, 2017 7:24:38 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Dec 23, 2017 7:24:38 GMT -7
but to assume we know an aliens intent, needs, desires is a giant FAIL I agree. Giant FAIL on the part of the guy you cited who says alien's intent was to come to Earth to breed humans to mine gold for them.
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Post by bussit on Dec 23, 2017 7:46:16 GMT -7
Seriously, if someone could get the message to Trump that he isn't allowed in area51 because he isn't important enough, laws will change and we could have a look around the sub-levels.
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Post by bussit on Dec 23, 2017 10:29:25 GMT -7
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Dec 23, 2017 10:35:15 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Dec 23, 2017 10:35:15 GMT -7
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Dec 27, 2017 9:05:21 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 27, 2017 9:05:21 GMT -7
There is no way that a spaceship traversed open space to get here. It's too far. If they have the technology to fold space or access some other dimension or something then I doubt if they need to mine gold or any other resources. Also there are probably planets made of gold out there somewhere that they could "jump" to. Trump should roll up into area51 and get to the bottom of all this. Do any of you basers have twitter? agreed., i feel that they did not come here traveling open space at sublight speed. so that leaves warp, folding space or wormholes. do people on this planet really need billions of dollars?.. i dont think we can assume technological advancement brings a higher morality or eliminates greed or the desire to have the most you nor i can understand what an alien needs. but in case it dont matter what it needs but what it wants... needs and wants are far far different. also, i dont think its proper to assume it would be a whole race. . as i said, if their are billions or trillions of aliean all we need is one or two or maybe 100 who have interest in this backwater planet. why are they interested in us? i dont know.. why do i like wookiefoot and some hate them? why do some Aliens care about Earth and most dont? i dont know also, there could be heavy competition out there in the universe.. we are a young planet.. if races have been traveling around for a million years Earth may be planet 102220556687 on a list starting with 1 so using the argument of what you think an alien needs or wants really is while logical a fail. we just dont know
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Dec 27, 2017 9:11:51 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 27, 2017 9:11:51 GMT -7
there very well may be Donald Trump, Rothchild, Rockerfeller type aliens who all they care about is new stuff to acquire consume control.
cancer consumes all, big or small if it can
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Dec 28, 2017 7:36:24 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Dec 28, 2017 7:36:24 GMT -7
In the UFO/new age community there's a recent (last 10 years) phenomenon of people having recovered memories that they are secret govt super soldiers. A few years back there was even a super soldier conference in Nevada where many such super soldiers told stories of parallel lives in secret govt programs on other planets. I noticed in hearing the stories of these "whistle blowers" (term brought back into popularity in the 70s by the Scientology Citizen's Commission of Human Rights), that some of them used Scientology jargon, such as "Fabian" to mean mobile and elusive; and one, Michael Prince, mentioned the govt's use of dianetics to determine if someone had been possessed after physical contact with an alien.
Well, it seems this new field of study stems from the work of ex-Scientologists in the 80s, such as Captain Bill, Mary Wernicke, Irene Mumford, and others whose names I've forgotten, who were enamored of L Ron Hubbard's "space opera" lectures and took them to a new level -- even encompassing later revelations of MK-Ultra and the Satanic Panic of the 90s. And here's a website outlining techniques for uncovering these buried "memories":
www.themarsrecords.com/wp/mars-records-download-books/If I'm going down a rabbit hole it'll be a hole on a different subject, but a quick look showed the referenced site still had some interesting post titles about 'Victims of Military or Alien Abductions, Mind Control Commands, Spiritual Attacks,' "The Implanters - Beings Who Enslave Civilization," etc.. In the contact section there's a plea from the webmaster - "Please Always use paragraphs and punctuation. We cannot read ‘walls of text’ or all-capitals emails." Lol, they (Grammar Nazis?) know their readership. They also add to anyone wanting to contact them - DO NOT send us any secret information that means that you violate your Security Agreements. We do not want this kind of information. Important! Before contacting Metatech, PLEASE READ THIS. * Please note that we are not counselors or medical practitioners and we don’t deal with mental health issues or medical problems.
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Dec 28, 2017 8:10:37 GMT -7
Post by lordkundalini on Dec 28, 2017 8:10:37 GMT -7
i for one can see the appeal in traveling to some backwater planet, manipulating the genes like we breed cows or strains of pot, and becoming a God King.. why haul all your resources here when you can just have the lower life forms harvest it and work it into statues of you ect or whatever else satisfy your wants.
is there enough planets like Earth in this Galaxy so that every Alien in the Galaxy can be a God-King? id say prob not. would there be competition?. probably. dont really know though. no data to go on at all.
things to ponder.
im happy that alien visitation is no longer in the realm of tin foil hats and the data leans towards visitation.. perhaps one we will have proof in the public arena.
at this point the non-believers really have nothing to go on except to assume they know what an alien would want, need, leave behind, do ect.. a guess based on no real data or thinking that its a conspiracy to convince us of contact, which may be true but does not rule out contact at all.
the believers have sighting over time place race ect... a very diverse set of data and all kinds of testimonials from important military, leaders, astronauts. this of course is not proof... just data to consider and not something you can just rule out cause it dont support you.
and of course the Math and young age of our planet is favorable
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