aLiEnS

History continues to repeat itself.

I don't make the assumption that the guy in the link you posted earlier or any others are lying. Lying is an intentional act to deceive. I don't know anything about any of those people to assume they have a motive to deceive. I don't know enough about any of them to assume any motivations, the state of their mental health, how accurate their sensory perceptions are, etc..

I do know that our senses don't necessarily work at a 100% level of perfection. People see/hear/feel/smell things that aren't actually there, or exist only in their minds. Countless studies have shown this. Personal experience has shown this.

Right now I can smell some OG-18 I used to grow because of it's super distinct and memorable scent, but that's just my brain - there's no OG-18 anywhere near me right now. I just want to "smell" some dank OG-18 at the moment and the part of my brain that handles sensory perception is cooperating with my desire. That scent I'm experiencing is no less real just because, like all senses, it's all in my brain.
It's not based on OG-18 actually being in the room, but on my desire to smell OG-18 and my brain allowing me to see what I want to see, hear what I want to hear, taste what I want to taste, or smell what I want to smell. My smelling OG-18 is certainly not something others should use to believe that it's proof of there being OG-18 within smelling distance.

People want to believe things that never actually happened and instead of crediting it to their own desire, faulty memory, or sense of perception, convince themselves that it actually was as they remembered instead of something that just worked it's way into popular culture or the collective unconscious and took hold, sometimes overtaking what actually happened - The Mandala Effect. At least that's the name it was first presented to me as, though now people insist it's actually The Mandela Effect. More faulty memory of events that transpired - or didn't actually transpire? If I can't trust my own senses 100%, how can I trust the senses of others 100%? What level of trust is adequate to take the reports of what others have sensed, but are unable to prove, as being if not proof itself, a rational basis for believing that which they report?

Knowing that the human brain is possible of allowing us to sense things that aren't actually there, knowing that the U in UFO stands for unidentified, I find it hard to take the leap of faith necessary to equate sightings of Unidentified Flying Objects to be proof of alien existence. Something to think about where one of the countless possibilities points to possible alien life, sure, but not proof and not even anything that suggests probability. Probability is a concept based on mathematical formulas (such as The Drake Equation in this case) and not emotions or desires for something to be.

I'm open to the possibility, but the probability, as calculated by minds far more adept to do so than mine, show that at the moment (and until a potential future breakthrough) it's not probable. I try not to let my desire for something to actually be influence my ability to use critical thought to ascertain whether it actually is. 

www.seti.org/drake-equation

How would aliens become aware of our existence?
We have only been putting out radio and TV waves for a very short period of time. The stars are so far away and spread out that it would take ages for our first radio waves to get to anywhere interesting that it probably hasn't even happened yet. Then there would be the trip here from another world. There just hasn't been enough time for all that, if it's even possible to traverse large areas of open space at high speeds.

Let's change the main variable in the logic:

Millions upon millions have claimed to talked to/heard the voice of/had conversations with their version of God. Every one of those millions believe that humans are not the pinnacle of the universe and that there is a higher, more intelligent power that's not of this Earth.

Does that make the existence of God so? Does that offer up even the smallest amount of evidence that their version of God exists? Does it in any mathematical/scientific way increase the level of probability that their version of God exists?

If you don't believe they actually conversed with or simply heard the voice of God (whether their version, yours, or not at all if you are an atheist) does your skepticism mean that you think that they clearly are lying and delusional?

Could a more logical explanation (since there's no proof and that doesn't jump to the assumption that they're all lying and delusional) be that they aren't lying but that they've heard the voice of God because they wanted to hear the voice of God? Perhaps they actually have heard an actual voice in their heads (which is where all sensory perception takes place), but should that convince you that the voice heard by millions is that of God?

Existence of gods or aliens is in the realm of faith, though of course all it takes is just one of the millions upon millions of sightings to be true. Just one.

You're making a false assumption by assuming that skeptics think everyone is lying when that's obviously not the case and there are other, more reasonable explanations. You obviously don't understand what I've posted or just can't address it and so stick to your assumption that skeptics think 'they're all lying.' Why am I not surprised?

Eye witness testimony is pretty unreliable for most events.

By "pretend to know what aliens would do" are you referring to people who talk about how aliens would (are) enslave us to mine gold or other minerals?

What specific argument are you referring to? How would someone trying to disprove aliens do so by arguing what they think they would do? 'The boogeyman doesn't exist but this is what the boogeyman would do.' Makes no sense.

www.collective-evolution.com/2017/09/23/elon-musk-super-intelligent-aliens-are-probably-already-observing-us/

i wonder if he part alien.. that Elon musk sure is a nut!!!

“Intelligent beings from other star systems have been and are visiting our planet Earth. They are variously referred to as Visitors, Others, Star People, ETs, etc. . . . They are visiting Earth NOW; this is not a matter of conjecture or wistful thinking.”
– Theodor C. Loder III, Phd, Professor Emeritus of Earth Sciences, University of New Hampshire

another nutty professor

www.collective-evolution.com/2016/07/14/x-nasa-scientist-founding-father-of-the-internet-lets-the-world-know-that-aliens-are-real/
X NASA Scientist & Founding Father Of The Internet Lets The World Know That Aliens Are Real

clearly a dullard

“In several accounts etched permanently into their clay tablets, the ancient Sumerian scribes gave more detail as to the source of their knowledge. They wrote that 432,000 years before the Great Flood, the Anunnaki arrived and taught them the basics of civilization… According to the interpretations of Zecharia Sitchin and many others, the term Anunnaki means “those who came from the heavens to Earth.” In Sitchin’s narrative, these were astronauts from the planet Nibiru who traveled through the asteroid belt and initially landed in the Persian Gulf.

“Most of African mythology speaks about the same things, the sky gods the abelungu who came down from the sky. They created the people, to mine gold. Credo Mutwa (and African shaman) tells us Abantu in Zulu means the children of Antu. Antu is the Sumerian Goddess of the Abzu – where the gold came from. Lord Enki is also known as Enkei as the creator-god, the Sumerian medicine man. He cloned a species. His symbol is on the medical symbol, caduceus. This is one of the oldest symbols on the earth encoded with so much knowledge and information we can spend a lecture on it alone.


clearly these tribes are lying so they can play a big joke on future man.. dam primitives and their advanced geopolitical games



so what does the other side offer? well why havent we made contact if they are watching?
so puts people thinking they know what aliens would do/think vs whistleblowers-----------hmmmmmmmmmmmm

if you have to pick, i think whistleblowers seem more valid then a non believer pretending to know what aliens think and act is more rational.