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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 11:20:06 GMT -7
ok fred...you do you, i'll do me.
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 11:21:43 GMT -7
I never claimed to know anything about guns. Maybe semi-automatic weapons was the wrong thing to say, the only point i was trying to get across is that no one in the states should be owning an AR-15 of any type of gun like that. -This illustrates part of the problem with the gun debate. People on the gun control side of the debate tend to not know WTF they're talking about. I think there's plenty of appropriate uses for an AR-15...they're effective for target shooting, hunting and home protection. Unfortunately they're also good for inflicting mass casualties. NYS passed the SAFE Act 5 or so years ago and it was set up that if a rifle exceeds a certain number of features it's labeled an assault rifle and is illegal. Things like a bump stock, flash suppressor, detachable magazines, silencers, certain optics etc. You can have a couple of those features, but too many and you can't own it. A co-worker recently had an AR type gun built and to avoid getting classed as an assault rifle, one of the things that was incorporated into the design was a break action and a fixed magazine. You have to open the gun up to reload. I have no problems with limiting magazine size as well. That was another thing the SAFE Act did was limit you to 7 rounds...I'm pretty sure that part of the law has been overturned though. I think those hobbies can die off. No need for AR-15s |
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Post by chronicircle on Feb 22, 2018 11:22:52 GMT -7
We can put all the gun controls/laws in place we want. The sad reality is it's not going to stop people from obtaining them. I believe gun reform is absolutely needed in this country but there's no solution to completely abolish gun crimes. How to go about a resolution is tricky and tough and in some form going to upset a large portion of the population either way.
And I'm with hokie that schools are already under funded enough as it is. My future brother in law works as an internal audit for the minneapolis school district and he was saying how they're 30+ million short in their budget. So while the idea of guns in schools, metal detectors, more armed guards are all noble and logical, it's not something that's feasible in schools nation wide.
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 11:25:15 GMT -7
we can talk about the shoulds all day but the reality is you will never get all the guns back.
and if we impose draconian gun laws i think we all know what will develop---a gun black market.. so instead of AR-15 we will have chinese QB's or Russian AK's ect.
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 11:25:50 GMT -7
it amazing how under funded some schools were. The year before my freshman year of high school the school I went to built a new swimming pool add on to the school. 2 pools with seating for events that costed roughly 25 mil to do. Amazing that a school would have funds for that while and inner city school is struggling providing enough books for their kids.
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 11:27:47 GMT -7
i feel every gun should have a record, a trace you can follow. how else can you find out who is supplying the crazies.
less your paying cash for the gun, they know anyway.
just say yes to responsible gun use
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 11:31:14 GMT -7
We can put all the gun controls/laws in place we want. The sad reality is it's not going to stop people from obtaining them. I believe gun reform is absolutely needed in this country but there's no solution to completely abolish gun crimes. How to go about a resolution is tricky and tough and in some form going to upset a large portion of the population either way. And I'm with hokie that schools are already under funded enough as it is. My future brother in law works as an internal audit for the minneapolis school district and he was saying how they're 30+ million short in their budget. So while the idea of guns in schools, metal detectors, more armed guards are all noble and logical, it's not something that's feasible in schools nation wide. I think all or nothing arguments aren't really productive. People still break all kinds of laws that are on the books. Of course we cant stop all criminals from getting guns however we should certainly try harder to stop them and make it more difficult for them to get them. |
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Post by higs on Feb 22, 2018 11:43:05 GMT -7
If I was in charge: 1. Limit magazine size 2. Require fixed magazines (so they can't be reloaded as quickly) 3. Require background checks for ANY gun purchase 4. Beef up mental health registries and prevent people that pose a risk to themselves and others from buying guns 5. Make it a felony to not report a stolen gun I can't support registering firearms...I just can't. I could get behind mandatory insurance for firearm ownership, but I would want ownership information protected from the government except in the event of a crime. I've pretty much done a 180 concerning this whole debate... Why in the hell shouldn't we register guns? We register our motor vehicles. |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 11:46:53 GMT -7
ok fred...you do you, i'll do me. -Ok...? |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 11:49:06 GMT -7
If I was in charge: 1. Limit magazine size 2. Require fixed magazines (so they can't be reloaded as quickly) 3. Require background checks for ANY gun purchase 4. Beef up mental health registries and prevent people that pose a risk to themselves and others from buying guns 5. Make it a felony to not report a stolen gun I can't support registering firearms...I just can't. I could get behind mandatory insurance for firearm ownership, but I would want ownership information protected from the government except in the event of a crime. I've pretty much done a 180 concerning this whole debate... Why in the hell shouldn't we register guns? We register our motor vehicles. -Most people aren't concerned that the gubmint gon' come for their cars. |
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 11:51:41 GMT -7
I've pretty much done a 180 concerning this whole debate... Why in the hell shouldn't we register guns? We register our motor vehicles. -Most people aren't concerned that the gubmint gon' come for their cars. so? Because gun nuts are fearful we shouldn't bother? Fuck that, kids are dying. |
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Post by waldowally on Feb 22, 2018 11:52:38 GMT -7
AR15's are not needed by any stretch of the imagnination for hunting and are not ideal for home defense either, a shotgun would be best for home defense.
have you ever actually hunted with an AR15 Ferd? muzzle velocity too high. would destroy a ton of meat
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 11:53:45 GMT -7
The fact of the matter is that gun owners have rights too. If I thought registering your guns would in any way lessen the frequency of school shootings, I'd be more likely to support it. I guess I just don't see the correlation.
If you can enlighten me as to how registering guns will prevent school shootings, I'd love to grow as a person.
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Feb 22, 2018 11:55:42 GMT -7
Bring back swords
And
Mussle loaders
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 11:56:36 GMT -7
AR15's are not needed by any stretch of the imagnination for hunting and are not ideal for home defense either, a shotgun would be best for home defense. have you ever actually hunted with an AR15 Ferd? muzzle velocity too high. would destroy a ton of meat -Nah. Shot placement is the most important factor in minimizing meat damage. Also, a quick Google search says an AR-15 shooting a .223 round will have a muzzle velocity of about 2800 FPS. A bolt action .308 rifle (the one I hunt with) can get up to about 2700 FPS. That 100 FPS has an effect, but it's negligible. Also, I'm sure you know this, but a .223 round is smaller than a .308 round. |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 11:57:11 GMT -7
AR15's are not needed by any stretch of the imagnination for hunting and are not ideal for home defense either, a shotgun would be best for home defense. have you ever actually hunted with an AR15 Ferd? muzzle velocity too high. would destroy a ton of meat -You could explode a zombie head at 100+ yards with an AR. Not with a shotgun. Just sayin. |
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 11:57:34 GMT -7
The fact of the matter is that gun owners have rights too. If I thought registering your guns would in any way lessen the frequency of school shootings, I'd be more likely to support it. I guess I just don't see the correlation. If you can enlighten me as to how registering guns will prevent school shootings, I'd love to grow as a person. Less access to the guns. |
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Post by higs on Feb 22, 2018 12:00:22 GMT -7
The fact of the matter is that gun owners have rights too. If I thought registering your guns would in any way lessen the frequency of school shootings, I'd be more likely to support it. I guess I just don't see the correlation. If you can enlighten me as to how registering guns will prevent school shootings, I'd love to grow as a person. Registering guns would be just a small part of a larger accountability. Obviously registering alone wouldn't solve the problem. |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:01:38 GMT -7
Venk - how does it prevent access? I don't follow your logic.
Hoosier - I agree that there are many steps that should be taken to increase accountability. I just don't see registration as one of them.
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 12:01:57 GMT -7
AR15's are not needed by any stretch of the imagnination for hunting and are not ideal for home defense either, a shotgun would be best for home defense. have you ever actually hunted with an AR15 Ferd? muzzle velocity too high. would destroy a ton of meat -You could explode a zombie head at 100+ yards with an AR. Not with a shotgun. Just sayin. For real dude? |
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