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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 8:34:14 GMT -7
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Post by lovejahlive on Feb 22, 2018 8:43:46 GMT -7
'quit naming the shooter' seems like a very logical step that doesn't really erode anyone's freedom and doesn't cost a dime... We gotta make that happen.
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Post by hokiejoe on Feb 22, 2018 8:44:13 GMT -7
Arming teachers would be one of the things that would immediately make me seek alternative schooling for my (theoretical) child. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 8:47:32 GMT -7
guns are a Pandora's box. its opened.. you cant get all the guns back, thats just how it is. and why would you? its your only defense against government infamy
seems the goal should be to reduce gun crime.
you do this by tacking on extra long sentences to gun crimes.. an extra 10 years or so. rational people will respond.
crazy people most likely will not respond but they are crazy and if they want to kill, they will find a way.
i like the concept of employing armed vets at schools. i think guns in a classroom will not end up well. if the gun is secure, you may not be able to get it out in time and if it isnt secure, some kid may use it.
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Post by bear on Feb 22, 2018 8:48:16 GMT -7
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Post by waldowally on Feb 22, 2018 8:55:51 GMT -7
to risk sounding too #woke aka tinfoil hat time-
they way the republicans are trying to angle this into basically turning schools into prisons is playing into "their" hand.
::takes off tinfoil hat::
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 9:00:06 GMT -7
and how do we define mental illness? anyone who doesn't tow the official government line?
its a slippery slope
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 22, 2018 9:04:45 GMT -7
Schools already are treated essentially as prisons with students having greatly reduced rights and schools profiting off them without them getting anything back.
Many schools already have armed officers on site. I think adding super long sentences to gun crimes is a good step as well as reducing magazine size. Make it very difficult to them in the first place, if youre a hobbyist then you've gotta be willing to wait for it.
At this point, guns alone aren't stopping our government if they decide to turn on the people. Plus there are homemade weapons that can be made.
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Post by Zeewada on Feb 22, 2018 9:23:31 GMT -7
I feeling giving Veterans a job of protecting our schools is a good option. Create jobs, give people who are passionate american's something to strive for.
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Post by Zeewada on Feb 22, 2018 9:27:17 GMT -7
As far as gun control? It isn't happening. Too much revenue and too many happy gun owners not giving up a 2nd amendment right.
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 9:34:42 GMT -7
guns are a Pandora's box. its opened.. you cant get all the guns back, thats just how it is. and why would you? its your only defense against government infamy seems the goal should be to reduce gun crime. you do this by tacking on extra long sentences to gun crimes.. an extra 10 years or so. rational people will respond. crazy people most likely will not respond but they are crazy and if they want to kill, they will find a way. i like the concept of employing armed vets at schools. i think guns in a classroom will not end up well. if the gun is secure, you may not be able to get it out in time and if it isnt secure, some kid may use it. I have to respectfully disagree here. Rational people are not the problem. A rational gun owner already knows he/she is not going to shoot up a school or some other establishment. The people who are doing this are not thinking of the consequences, nor do they car. They do it for themselves, or some sort of power or other reasons we may not know, but at no point do I believe any of these people are thinking rationally when taking the lives of other innocent people. Increasing jail penalties will not change a thing. I think it would be silly to think we can just walk into peoples homes and take all their guns, but you can put restrictions on the types of guns people own. No american should have a semi-automatic weapon in their home. If you do want to purchase a gun you should be schooled on the safety and dangers of owning a weapon, you should have to pass a test that prove you can be a responsible gun owner and a mental health exam shouldn't be an issue either. I doubt that would entirely make this problem go away, but with how easy it is for an American to purchase a weapon these days, I'm sure changing the laws wouldn't make things worse. |
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 9:40:49 GMT -7
Somethings tells me he'll have another change of heart before this goes up for vote
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Post by hokiejoe on Feb 22, 2018 9:41:49 GMT -7
We can't fund the schools as it is, who is going to start paying for armed soldiers in the schools? Several schools that have mass shootings already had an armed guard on site, but schools are big places and several thousand kids tend to get in the way of a clean shot at an armed shooter. No law is going solve the problem completely, but no law solves any problem completely. We need to start incrementally with these changes like universal background checks, limited magazines, no private sales, etc...and keep chipping away.
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 9:44:03 GMT -7
Well if our idiot "leader" wasn't trying to get rid of all the immigrants, we could arm them and put them in the schools for under minimum wage since they're not legal citizens....DUH!
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Post by lovejahlive on Feb 22, 2018 9:44:28 GMT -7
anyone who plans to kill a bunch of kids isn't giving a fuck about a longer sentence
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Post by waldowally on Feb 22, 2018 9:51:37 GMT -7
anyone who plans to kill a bunch of kids isn't giving a fuck about a longer sentence exactly they never plan to live through it and if they do never see the light of day again its basically suicide by cop |
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 9:55:03 GMT -7
guns are a Pandora's box. its opened.. you cant get all the guns back, thats just how it is. and why would you? its your only defense against government infamy seems the goal should be to reduce gun crime. you do this by tacking on extra long sentences to gun crimes.. an extra 10 years or so. rational people will respond. crazy people most likely will not respond but they are crazy and if they want to kill, they will find a way. i like the concept of employing armed vets at schools. i think guns in a classroom will not end up well. if the gun is secure, you may not be able to get it out in time and if it isnt secure, some kid may use it. I have to respectfully disagree here. Rational people are not the problem. A rational gun owner already knows he/she is not going to shoot up a school or some other establishment. The people who are doing this are not thinking of the consequences, nor do they car. They do it for themselves, or some sort of power or other reasons we may not know, but at no point do I believe any of these people are thinking rationally when taking the lives of other innocent people. Increasing jail penalties will not change a thing. I think it would be silly to think we can just walk into peoples homes and take all their guns, but you can put restrictions on the types of guns people own. No american should have a semi-automatic weapon in their home. If you do want to purchase a gun you should be schooled on the safety and dangers of owning a weapon, you should have to pass a test that prove you can be a responsible gun owner and a mental health exam shouldn't be an issue either. I doubt that would entirely make this problem go away, but with how easy it is for an American to purchase a weapon these days, I'm sure changing the laws wouldn't make things worse. disagree with what? sounds like we have the same view. i dont think we should ignore rational people using guns to rob ect and just focus on the crazies. long prison sentences.. control the gun supply which means controlling guns to the rational as well as irrational does it not? as i said, you cant really stop crazy can you? they are crazy.. its not hard to make a bomb, to make poison gas ect. there are just to many guns in circulation. i posted this the other day.. this was written in 1991  |
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 9:57:13 GMT -7
im for no private sales.
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 9:57:41 GMT -7
what I disagree with is the notion that increasing prison sentences will stop these lunatics from committing crime. I don't believe that's the case, these people do what they do, and I highly doubt prison is at all on their mind when they do it.
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 10:07:06 GMT -7
what I disagree with is the notion that increasing prison sentences will stop these lunatics from committing crime. I don't believe that's the case, these people do what they do, and I highly doubt prison is at all on their mind when they do it. then you misread my post then.. you seem to have missed where i said this: crazy people most likely will not respond but they are crazy and if they want to kill, they will find a way.
i so much as said this would not solve the crazy using guns. its real hard to plan for crazy. they are crazy most gun crime is not committed by crazies.. just criminals so if you are going to address guns i feel you should tackle the whole problem. more people are shot with guns in crimes then in schools. Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]
There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870,
i feel we should do what we can do to reduce the 13000 number which is far higher then school shootings. |
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