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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:14:39 GMT -7
Also... How is the current system of deregulation and easy access to firearms making schools any safer? This question? I'm pretty sure it is smack dab in the middle if this debate. The primary issue is the easy access to guns. -Yeah man, unless I'm mistaken, you posed that question to me. That would insinuate that I think the current system is adequate. I do not. |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:15:17 GMT -7
Also, since we shot down the idea of metal detectors and armed security at schools because money...how do we pay for any of the other measures that would be taken? The answer is that our priorities are way out of whack. I'd be fine with a tax increase to help fund the installation of metal detectors and armed guards. Take it out of our military/police budget. -Fuckin' A man I totally agree!!! So you agree that metal detectors and armed guards are back on the table for schools? |
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 12:16:26 GMT -7
start a corp to protect schools. have the military pay for it. of course thats a slippery slope to an even more overt police state
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Post by higs on Feb 22, 2018 12:16:32 GMT -7
You asked how registering firearms would make schools safer. I'm applying the same logic to the other side of the debate. -Also, I'm not on the "other side" of this debate. I don't think the question you posed me is relevant. This is some classic lork style debate tactics right here. Lol not lol... |
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Post by higs on Feb 22, 2018 12:18:26 GMT -7
The question is totally relevant and didn't insinuate that you agreed with the current laws and lack of regulation. But you are deflecting...
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:19:53 GMT -7
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/22/the-real-reason-congress-banned-assault-weapons-in-1994-and-why-it-worked/?utm_term=.d7ac0bc7e9e4I love you ferd buy you sound like a typical anmosexual. How about M60's? Do you have the right to own one of those too? What LAW's? They're "fun." Claymore's to protect your property? Why not. You got ferd money - why don't you buy yourself a tank to protect yourself from the "government." It's fucking bullshit. Use whatever nomenclature suits your needs but ASSAULT weapons have no place what-so-ever in the hands of the general public. Generous buy back period, then if you get caught with one you're doing 5 years automatically, no parole. Kill all the deer you want. Nobody needs an AR 15 to do do. Or I guess you could just nerve gas them... -A tank, claymores, nerve gas...none of these are firearms. It's frustrating to me that you guys are ignoring the whole list of regulations I'd propose...I'M ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE DEBATE AS YOU!!! I'm for increased regulation, I'm for making it much more difficult inflict mass casualties. The only things I've disagreed with are a suggestion that all semi-automatic weapons should be banned and that all firearms should be registered with the government. I can even agree that AR-15s aren't necessary and probably shouldn't be in the hands of John Q. Public. I merely stated some of the legitimate uses of an AR-15 style firearm. I can tell you with certainty that I don't ever intend to own an AR-15, nor any military caliber weapons, with the exception maybe of a military issue Colt 45. |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Feb 22, 2018 12:22:44 GMT -7
Lol retired vets protecting schools Yeah ptsd won't ever be an issue if they here loud bells and tons of kids and people running around in hallways, couldn't ever see that triggering some sort of events etc.. Everyone gets a nuke , just one...better make it count -Well obviously some screening/vetting would be necessary to make sure we're not putting mentally ill individuals in charge of our children's safety...I thought that was apparent. Thought that was part of gun owners ship...screening atleast.... |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:22:54 GMT -7
The question is totally relevant and didn't insinuate that you agreed with the current laws and lack of regulation. But you are deflecting... -Sorry, I'm not intentionally deflecting. Your post made me feel like because I didn't agree with one registering guns that I was automatically towing the NRA line. I'm not. |
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 12:24:30 GMT -7
-Also, I'm not on the "other side" of this debate. I don't think the question you posed me is relevant. This is some classic lork style debate tactics right here. Lol not lol... lol.. its awesome that you have to keep bringing me up. feel that hoosiers. thats the sting of pride hey look everyone, Hoosiers wants to make it about me.!!! say it aint so!!!
but it will be my fault of course |
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 12:24:51 GMT -7
so come after me and ignore hoosiers and his bullshit.
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Post by higs on Feb 22, 2018 12:25:53 GMT -7
Disagreeing with the suggestion of banning assault weapons and not being in favor of registering all firearms does kind of make it seem like you're leaning towards the other side of this debate. Sorry ferd. Love you brother, but I'm not all that sympathetic about gun rights these days. The shit is out of control and we have to reel it back in.
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 12:28:50 GMT -7
reality. you will never get the guns back.
reality.. other countries will be happy to supply guns to our citizens.
its so odd that 13000 or so die every year to gun violence yet its not an issue til schools get attacked.. why is that?
13000 is acceptable?
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 12:29:02 GMT -7
I also think there's the idea that whatever laws, regulations, we put in place may not work and it may be the same old but, obviously, the current system isn't working and something needs to be changed. I get that these assault rifles may hold some purpose for non-crazy gun owners, but the fact of the matter is all of these school shooters walked into the schools with assault rifles, again, something needs to be done.
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:32:26 GMT -7
A toothpick is an assault weapon in the wrong hands. The issue I have with banning assault weapons is that there is no clear definition of an assault weapon.
I support banning:
large capacity magazines/removable magazines
flash suppressors
silencers
bump stocks
There's probably other things I'd support a ban on that I can't think of right now. These are a lot of features that would turn a standard rifle into an "assault rifle."
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Post by lordkundalini on Feb 22, 2018 12:35:39 GMT -7
exactly how can you run a background check and not be in the system? you cant really.. you are already in the database at that point
if your big concern is not wanting the government to know you have a gun
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:37:24 GMT -7
I saw a quote on facebook that I liked the other day...
I'll paraphrase:
If my kid hit another kid with a stick, I blame my kid, not the stick, but I'd still take the stick away.
The logic is hard to argue. The logic becomes iffy, however, when you ban sticks for everyone because some kids don't know how to act.
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Post by lovejahlive on Feb 22, 2018 12:37:29 GMT -7
part of the problem is people don't understand that what they are referring to as an 'assault' rifle is simply how the gun is outfitted. how it looks. Something that is easy and legal to change. the receiver is the part of the gun that fires the bullets. are you trying to ban receivers or plastic stocks? ![]() www.gunauction.com/buy/8823678this semi auto configuration is among the most popular with hunters. remington 6mm. you won't ever be able to ban this. it's not happening. |
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Post by GBK2point0 on Feb 22, 2018 12:37:50 GMT -7
no offense ferd but the whole X is an assault weapon in the wrong hands argument is so silly. You can't kill 17 people in the span of minutes with a toothpick, especially if we are talking about a 19 year old kid. You're not going to go in a church with a toothpick and massacre an entire congregation. Sometimes it takes 1 bad seed to ruin a good time for everyone. Well it's been 1 bad seed after 1 bad seed and the similarity seems to be AR-15s/Assault rifles. Just because they won't be abused in the hands of a responsible gun owner doesn't mean that they should be legal in the states.
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:38:11 GMT -7
I also think there's the idea that whatever laws, regulations, we put in place may not work and it may be the same old but, obviously, the current system isn't working and something needs to be changed. I get that these assault rifles may hold some purpose for non-crazy gun owners, but the fact of the matter is all of these school shooters walked into the schools with assault rifles, again, something needs to be done. -I agree with you in principle. If we can come to a firm conclusion on what makes a gun an assault rifle, we'd be entirely on the same page. |
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Post by ferd on Feb 22, 2018 12:40:40 GMT -7
no offense ferd but the whole X is an assault weapon in the wrong hands argument is so silly. You can't kill 17 people in the span of minutes with a toothpick, especially if we are talking about a 19 year old kid. You're not going to go in a church with a toothpick and massacre an entire congregation. Sometimes it takes 1 bad seed to ruin a good time for everyone. Well it's been 1 bad seed after 1 bad seed and the similarity seems to be AR-15s/Assault rifles. Just because they won't be abused in the hands of a responsible gun owner doesn't mean that they should be legal in the states. -1. You missed my point. My point is that the definition of an assault weapon is not clear. 2. There's been tons of examples of someone inflicting mass casualties with weapons other than guns... www.cbsnews.com/news/guizhou-china-stabbing-spree-two-killed-eighteen-injured/ |
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