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Post by chronicircle on Nov 10, 2022 14:14:31 GMT -7
the line for total pages in this thread has moved to 274.5. place your bets! doubled down on the under at midterms. currently on pace for 106. easy money.
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Post by SolarGarlic π§ on Nov 10, 2022 14:46:37 GMT -7
So if Joe doesnβt run, who would you suggest in his place?
Iβm actually asking. I donβt want him to run again either.
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Post by bear on Nov 10, 2022 15:05:26 GMT -7
BMFS 2024
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Post by dbg465285 on Nov 10, 2022 15:05:59 GMT -7
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Post by dbg465285 on Nov 10, 2022 15:07:01 GMT -7
Jon Stewart if we can just pick anyone.
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Post by chronicircle on Nov 10, 2022 15:19:34 GMT -7
the rock/oprah 2024
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Post by frododoknobo on Nov 10, 2022 15:39:27 GMT -7
I think it should be an actual politician, no more celebrities. So, Gavin Newsome? Michelle Obama would win against anyone, but sheβs not a politician.
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Post by dbg465285 on Nov 10, 2022 15:49:07 GMT -7
Anyone willing to do it I don't trust
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Post by bear on Nov 10, 2022 16:13:38 GMT -7
Anyone willing to do it I don't trust dbg42024
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Post by danimal on Nov 10, 2022 16:22:28 GMT -7
Yeah maybe we could trot Bernie out one more time or maybe get Beto or Stacey Abrams to lose again. Sounds awesome.
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Post by dbg465285 on Nov 10, 2022 16:25:37 GMT -7
Anyone willing to do it I don't trust dbg42024 I will commit a felony so fast your head will spin
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Post by salmon401 on Nov 10, 2022 16:30:09 GMT -7
I will commit a felony so fast your head will spin Youβre going to need to do more than that to make a good politician β¦..but itβs a good start.
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Post by danimal on Nov 10, 2022 16:33:24 GMT -7
Gdp is up. Wealth of lower income Americans is up. Unemployment is down. 11 states now have the lowest unemployment rates in history. Major legislative accomplishments on infrastructure, Medicare drug prices, increased taxes on corporations.
Gosh I sure don't want to see any more of that.
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Post by danimal on Nov 10, 2022 16:37:38 GMT -7
Oh yeah federal deficit way down too, let's fire him.
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Post by dbg465285 on Nov 10, 2022 16:53:03 GMT -7
Gdp is up. Wealth of lower income Americans is up. Unemployment is down. 11 states now have the lowest unemployment rates in history. Major legislative accomplishments on infrastructure, Medicare drug prices, increased taxes on corporations. Gosh I sure don't want to see any more of that. If hamburgers donβt get cheaper than none of this matters unfortunately. I think people are scared he wonβt be able to preform in public well enough to win
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Post by ancientchad on Nov 10, 2022 18:03:11 GMT -7
I could see Senate Repunks tossing Trump and his fans off a cliff and "working" with their old buddy Joe.
But maybe I'm a fool.
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 10, 2022 18:04:07 GMT -7
Gdp is up. Wealth of lower income Americans is up. Unemployment is down. 11 states now have the lowest unemployment rates in history. Major legislative accomplishments on infrastructure, Medicare drug prices, increased taxes on corporations. Gosh I sure don't want to see any more of that. I think Joe did what people wanted of him - he beat Trump. Thanks a million, Joe. Mission Accomplished. But he sold himself as a transitional president and I'd like to see him follow through on that. All of those things mentioned are positives. But I don't they're entirely of his doing, and where I would give him credit I don't think he has some magical touch that makes it so that only he could've obtained those results. Lot of things are out of his hands. I think it's ridiculous to blame him for inflation when it's on a global scale. I think it's ridiculous to blame him for problems with the supply chain when the world is coming off covid, China still shuts down production because of their strict and ongoing covid precautions, and it's a capitalist system where the state doesn't control the means of production, the ports, trucking, what happens in other countries, etc. Conversely a lot of the economic positives would've likely happened regardless due to the cyclical nature of the economy. Assuming a complete idiot wasn't in the job to really fuck things up. I think any number of the Dems who ran in the primaries for '20 could've obtained similar results unlike a lot of the GOP lemmings who bought into and fully believed Trump's 'I alone can fix ex I think where it matters (and where it has for Biden) is in directing the country as to where the attention and energy will be placed. So I'd give him more credit for lowering Medicare drug prices or increased taxes on corporations than I would an increase in GDP, or unemployment rates. But all of this goes deeper than most can truly comprehend (myself included) so I think it's kind of difficult to give out gold stickers and assess absolute blame. If (imo) the main thing a president can do is map out a course, steer the ship, and motivate the country, I'd like to see the next guy be someone who believes the biggest national and global challenge is dealing with climate change before it's too late to reverse and we've reached a point of no return. I know everything is connected and there really is no single issue that's paramount over everything (abortion, borders, health care, etc.) but without a livable planet nothing else really matters. All these people worried about policies that address climate change being job killers and having negative effects on the economy are going to have to start realizing that after years of exploitation that time has come to pay now, or pay later. Ask the crab fishermen in Alaska who are suffering from two cancelled fishing seasons. Paying the increasing costs of dealing with damage caused by stronger hurricanes and more wildfires. I don't know who that person would be right now, or if they'll even be one this next presidential election cycle. But that's who I'd want. It seems like a lot of people have forgotten the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) warning that was given in 2018 that we only have until 2030 to turn this shit around or it'll be too late to do so. I'm not suggesting having the most excellent person for this possible as US president in '24 is the ultimate solution for everything to be alright and that it won't take a huge effort on a global scale, but it'd be a start and a positive signal to the rest of the world. And certainly better than putting the issue off even longer and hoping whoever runs in '28 will take care of the problem. And I realize I may be pessimistic and/or that 2030 number is off, but I do believe that it's a problem, one that will have to be dealt with, and one that makes all other problems seem minor in comparison. And lastly on this extended rant, I'd like to see someone younger than Biden or Trump. The future belongs to the young, so I'd like to see someone the younger generation feels good about. Sort of like how people rejected old men Bush and Dole in the early/mid 90's and were more comfortable with a Boomer in the job. Time for the (older) Boomers to step aside and let people who are actually going to be around for the future make decisions about what the future will look like. I had this notion that's completely undemocratic, but what if instead of 'one person, one vote' things were weighted so that people from say 23-35 had their votes count 1.25x, and people over 80 had their votes count only .75x? Young people have to deal with future (partially) decided by the politicians who get elected while people over 80 aren't going to be around. I don't trust most old people to vote in a way that benefits their grandchildren or great-grandchildren.
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 10, 2022 18:07:22 GMT -7
I could see Senate Repunks tossing Trump and his fans off a cliff and "working" with their old buddy Joe. But maybe I'm a fool. But over in the House they pushed out anyone who is willing to work across the aisle. It's Trump's party now and will be until they discard him (and stop worrying about winning the votes of his base - if that's even possible) and there's a potential wave of new moderates.
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Post by bussit on Nov 10, 2022 18:16:46 GMT -7
I could see Senate Repunks tossing Trump and his fans off a cliff and "working" with their old buddy Joe. But maybe I'm a fool. If it was a normal world this would be a logical possibility but since the dems drink the blood of babies, you can forget it.
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Post by Filo on Nov 10, 2022 18:22:04 GMT -7
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