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Jan 9, 2024 8:14:45 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Jan 9, 2024 8:14:45 GMT -7
The dnc is trying to make sure the democrats win the election. It's not a conspiracy to subvert democracy. The current primary system has only been around since 1972. Brother, they have cancelled the primary in 4 states and installed the preferred candidate. Our primary system has been shat upon
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Jan 9, 2024 9:36:40 GMT -7
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Post by danimal on Jan 9, 2024 9:36:40 GMT -7
You should probably write a letter to your representative expressing your disapproval.
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Jan 9, 2024 9:48:28 GMT -7
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Post by chronicircle on Jan 9, 2024 9:48:28 GMT -7
lol yes, because one letter voicing your displeasure is going to change things in our corrupt government.
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Post by danimal on Jan 9, 2024 10:00:39 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure the main function of the dnc is to advance the interests of the democratic party. Primary challengers threaten the success of the general election. You might ask why football teams don't go to the super bowl and start the third string rookie. It's not corruption.
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Post by danimal on Jan 9, 2024 10:14:32 GMT -7
lol yes, because one letter voicing your displeasure is going to change things in our corrupt government. lol yes complaining about it on jambase if sure to be more effective.
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Jan 9, 2024 10:34:01 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Jan 9, 2024 10:34:01 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure the main function of the dnc is to advance the interests of the democratic party. Primary challengers threaten the success of the general election. You might ask why football teams don't go to the super bowl and start the third string rookie. It's not corruption. Just for clarity, it's technically the democrat controlled state legislatures that are refusing to put anyone but Joe Biden on the ticket. There will be a vote in those states, but the voters have won't have other dem choices
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Post by danimal on Jan 9, 2024 10:46:27 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure the main function of the dnc is to advance the interests of the democratic party. Primary challengers threaten the success of the general election. You might ask why football teams don't go to the super bowl and start the third string rookie. It's not corruption. Just for clarity, it's technically the democrat controlled state legislatures that are refusing to put anyone but Joe Biden on the ticket. There will be a vote in those states, but the voters have won't have other dem choices ok good those are the people you should write the letters to.
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Post by bussit on Jan 9, 2024 10:58:40 GMT -7
You're not wrong
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Jan 9, 2024 14:52:00 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Jan 9, 2024 14:52:00 GMT -7
I just don't have the energy to look up an assortment of political projection polls from the past year. I want to have an informed conversation but not have a part time job We all know the definition of being informed. An informed conversation is based on a willingness to share verifiable factual information. It's not telling people to blindly trust you because you follow this all very closely. It's not being unwilling to inform others by providing asked for information that would verify your claim. It's not being reluctant to inform yourself when those in the conversation give you links to valid sources and turning a blind eye because their aggregated facts run counter to your premise. I've said I'm open minded enough to be proven wrong or that I just haven't come across the same info that you have, but I need to be informed, not told to blindly trust and ignore the facts I came across when taking a couple of minutes to inform myself about the subject you brought up for informed conversation. If you can only rely on Williamson's old polling #s I can post equally old polling #s that show showed Biden beating Trump, and using your own logic point to those old polls to allay your fears about Trump winning as being unfounded. But you wouldn't buy that, nor should you. Old polling #s are worthless whether they show Biden beating Trump or Williamson double digiting it all over the place. It's ironic that you're telling us the MSM should devote valuable air time to talk about Williamson and potential voters should take the time to check her out. But when asked to do something as simple and fast as post a link you refuse to do so and say you don't have the time. You can't be bothered to do even a quick Google search for a polling site and/or article you read which would inform us in this conversation by showing us where you're getting the polling info you base your argument on. You want others to give their time to Williamson but you can't even give the minute or three of your time it would take to inform yourself by clicking on a couple of provided links to aggregate polling websites. Informed conversations only exist when all parties are informed about the information being discussed. If you are interested in having an informed conversation then why are you so reluctant to inform others or allow others to inform you? Think about how weak your argument sounds to others if you can't back up your basic premise and refuse to inform yourself on that which you're basing your argument. We ain't MAGAbillies. You ain't gonna make your case arguing like we are and telling us to just trust you. Nobody is asking you to spend the amount of time necessary to prove Williamson's economic policy is sound by posting links to sources that validate her policies. Since you follow this fairly closely just kindly inform of us from where you get this polling data so we can evaluate it ourselves and decide on it's current relevance. It's not much of an ask of the salesman trying to sell you. If I didn't know better I'd think you were a Russian bot programmed to spread misinformation in order to weaken Biden and help Trump. If you're sincerely interested in a truly "informed" conversation, post links to the polling you're referring to and I'll gladly eat my hat if they verify what you've been saying. I don't see the point in talking about Williamson deserving more media attention if we can't even verify her polling is what you say it is because I don't believe MSM has an obligation to give air time to every single basement dwelling fringe candidate polling in the single digits who seem more interested in boosting their personal profile while knowing they have zero chance at building on their support just a few months before the election when they haven't been able to do so since 2019. And as you suggested I did Google it myself. Google didn't return any results showing what you claim. That's why I've been asking you to inform me by sharing where you got your information. Why be like one of those Trump people who make claims they can't back up and tell you to find the information they found that proves them right for yourself? It's so much easier to make your point by sharing your information.
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Jan 9, 2024 15:12:33 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Jan 9, 2024 15:12:33 GMT -7
What wins specifically do you need to see from Joe Biden? He is wildly progressive compared to any other President we have ever seen. He's got some pretty big wins under his belt. What do you want? You want him smoking joints in the oval office? I also don't really understand how you're seemingly dismissing that tons of people, like my parents, who happily voted for Joe to avoid Trump, may have to think twice about voting for a super progressive candidate. Yes, the DNC is always going to run to the center to capture as many people as possible. On drug band message boards people like Bernie and Liz, who I voted for in the last primaries, are wildly popular. They aren't so popular out there in the wild. When people are asked issue by issue it turns out that the Americans are extremely progressive. Who and how they vote is a different story. What people tell a pollster on a phone survey is not as relevant as how they vote. The average centrist Dem probably wants to sound more progressive when answering the questions. The idea of single payer health care sounds good when the pollster asks. But when they vote they think of the idea more as being against the American ideal of rugged individualism and don't want the pay the higher taxes. So they vote GOP or someone like Biden who you describe as being Manchin or other centrists. The only thing that matters is how people vote. That's how you judge where on the political spectrum the country is. A lot of people may talk progressive, but then vote centrist - which makes them centrists. The only people in the world who look at America as being progressive are countries that outlaw abortion (oops, guess that's no longer relevant), same sex marriage, etc. Countries with single payer health care (every other industrialized nation in the world), govt. paid higher education, better environmental policies, etc. look at America as being anything but progressive. America is much closer to being like Islamic theocracies than truly progressive countries. As proof, take a look at the makeup of American and the elected officials. For every progressive in Congress there's many more GOP MAGA members. No way progressives make up the same % of the population that MAGA does. Dems are overwhelmingly centrist.
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Jan 9, 2024 15:16:28 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Jan 9, 2024 15:16:28 GMT -7
The dnc is trying to make sure the democrats win the election. It's not a conspiracy to subvert democracy. The current primary system has only been around since 1972. Since at this late stage of the cycle it's obvious we're (once again) not going to get a Bernie or Warren or any other progressive candidate with a serious chance of winning, let's hope the DNC is successful. I'm less concerned if they win ugly and more concerned they win.
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Jan 9, 2024 15:22:18 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Jan 9, 2024 15:22:18 GMT -7
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Jan 9, 2024 15:34:24 GMT -7
Post by flyinghellphish on Jan 9, 2024 15:34:24 GMT -7
im writing in joe biden in nh.
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Jan 9, 2024 16:05:00 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Jan 9, 2024 16:05:00 GMT -7
It'll be interesting to see how Biden does as a write-in compared to all the other Dems (including Williamson) whose names are printed on the ballot, like Paperboy Love Prince and Supreme Vermin.
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Jan 9, 2024 16:25:55 GMT -7
Post by flyinghellphish on Jan 9, 2024 16:25:55 GMT -7
Supreme Vermin would get my vote in a perfect world.
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Post by salmon401 on Jan 9, 2024 16:33:46 GMT -7
Over Paperboy Love Prince?
You’re insane.
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Jan 9, 2024 16:42:07 GMT -7
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Post by flyinghellphish on Jan 9, 2024 16:42:07 GMT -7
Over Paperboy Love Prince? You’re insane. havnt i proved that here over the years?
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Jan 9, 2024 16:42:39 GMT -7
Post by flyinghellphish on Jan 9, 2024 16:42:39 GMT -7
...and if paperboy wants to be vp im down.
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Post by salmon401 on Jan 9, 2024 16:48:13 GMT -7
Oh I get it, you want Paperboy to take the blame for the border crisis.
Vermin is letting his true colors show.
VINO
Vermin In Name Only
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Jan 9, 2024 17:03:08 GMT -7
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Post by Filo on Jan 9, 2024 17:03:08 GMT -7
I always felt like Bernie’s stick it to the rich people and make them pay for his policies he wanted to put into place was going to go about as well as Trump’s wall and Mexico footing the bill.
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