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Post by SolarGarlic 🧀 on Oct 26, 2024 12:33:59 GMT -7
 Fitting to wear this one today đź’ś |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Oct 26, 2024 13:52:09 GMT -7
Profound, inventive, mystical and surreal. This is like losing Jerry again Hate that it's under these circumstances, but effin eh, good to see ya round these parts |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Oct 26, 2024 14:36:07 GMT -7
We stopped at local hippie store for incense , met a local head that knows wookicorn(mattchu)
Welp Pumpkin, Hermosita myself and the owner all traded stories and listened to a few tunes of Phil singing
Fuggin eh, we love you Phil
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Post by GBK2point0 on Oct 28, 2024 9:42:03 GMT -7
The first live show (compilation) i ever got from the library was fall out from the Phil Zone. I could listen to that Viola Lee Blues every day for the rest of my life and not get tired of its insanity.
My first dead-esque show was Phil and Friends back in 2006. Larry Cambell on guitar, Molo on Drums and some other beasts. I've seen a lot of great Phil and Friends shows, I saw Phil play with 2 members of Wilco in a one of a kind show that was a complete one-off. I owe a lot of my music fandom to Phil and the Grateful dead. He impacted my life greatly as he did most of you here.
RIP Phil
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Post by GBK2point0 on Oct 28, 2024 9:44:05 GMT -7
As for the asshole stuff?  I never heard anything about that. What i was told was that him and Bobby didn't get along after Jerry died. THey had complete creative differences in the directions they wanted the Deads music to go in and while they still did iterations of the Dead they were feuding behind the scenes. But from my understanding, and this is obviously an outsider looking in, Phil was by no accounts a bad guy, he just had different visions for himself and the music he helped create. |
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Post by ancientchad on Oct 28, 2024 10:15:23 GMT -7
I could see Phil treating Bobby like some "punk ass kid who got lucky" all these years.
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Post by Vibyl on Oct 28, 2024 13:04:00 GMT -7
For this is all a dream we dreamed one afternoon, long ago… - Mickey, Billy and Bobby I can get with that... In the end it matters not in the least...except for maybe the people he was asshole toward...whatever. He will view his life in retrospect (IMO) and deal with it then....lol. Then maybe it will matter...to him....and he will dream another dream...maybe a better one. Seems like he had a helluva go 'round to begin with though...smh. People get full of them-selves. |
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Post by Filo on Oct 28, 2024 14:05:49 GMT -7
As for the asshole stuff? I never heard anything about that. What i was told was that him and Bobby didn't get along after Jerry died. THey had complete creative differences in the directions they wanted the Deads music to go in and while they still did iterations of the Dead they were feuding behind the scenes. But from my understanding, and this is obviously an outsider looking in, Phil was by no accounts a bad guy, he just had different visions for himself and the music he helped create. Translation: Phil wasn’t ever going to take orders from fuckin’ John Mayer. 🤪 |
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Post by Don Swifty on Oct 28, 2024 16:01:53 GMT -7
How did Mayer get, or initially set it up so that he was in control?
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Post by treetophigh on Oct 28, 2024 16:11:12 GMT -7
Pretty sure money was involved.
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Post by Filo on Oct 28, 2024 16:23:05 GMT -7
He has 51% stake in Dead and Co. and the band/brand as of two months ago. It’s his gig from here.
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Post by hokiejoe on Oct 28, 2024 16:31:53 GMT -7
I thought the Jill/Phil being jerks stuff was during Furthur, specifically that Jill wanted say over band/song/merch decisions. I thought the beef was in house with existing GD members. There’s a decent chance I’m inventing all of that, but I didn’t recall it being Mayer related at all.
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Post by flyinghellphish on Oct 28, 2024 16:49:14 GMT -7
If the “and”incident is true I like him all the more for it.
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Post by ferd on Oct 28, 2024 16:49:40 GMT -7
I think there were some accounts from Phil & friends members about how Jill was difficult
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Post by Don Swifty on Oct 28, 2024 16:55:35 GMT -7
He has 51% stake in Dead and Co. and the band/brand as of two months ago. It’s his gig from here. I'm not doubting what anyone says, I'm just curious as to the details. I'd assume it was Bob/Bill/Mickey's project, and that Oteil and Chimenti were hired as touring musicians. And maybe the 3 gave Mayer a piece because they thought he'd sell tickets to people who otherwise probably wouldn't go to a show? Did any/all of the 3 sell their rights to him? With 51% it sounds like he can just take Dead and Co. on the road whenever he wants with whoever he wants. He could tell Bobby his tempos are too slow and that Mickey is too sloppy and can't keep the beat so they're out (not that I think he'd do that since D&C sells more tix with them than they would without them). To me, D&C seemed like a cash grab band put together by managers/lawyers/Shapiro as opposed to something that came together organically (to grab some cash). |
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Post by flyinghellphish on Oct 28, 2024 17:13:57 GMT -7
I could see Phil treating Bobby like some "punk ass kid who got lucky" all these years. god I hope so. |
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Post by ashell on Oct 28, 2024 17:58:44 GMT -7
I think there were some accounts from Phil & friends members about how Jill was difficult there's a fairly well known story along those lines involving Steve kimmock. I don't remember the specifics so I won't try and retell it. |
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Post by lerner on Oct 28, 2024 18:08:53 GMT -7
From the Fare thee well book, why Kimock left Phil and friends. I was actually at the next Phil show in Miluakeev after Kimock left and always wondered what happened. It was a Phil/Feat show that I saw instead of Kimock who I was expecting
The weekend in Denver was stressful for Steve Parish and his partner Ram Rod. They hadn’t been out on the road in the recent past and neither cared to make excuses for how the strain affected them. Parish was snapping at other crew members, surly to one and all including the Leshes. Jill Lesh was now officially acting as manager and she had opinions on a wide range of production issues, going so far as to include how the equipment should be stowed and unloaded. Parish and Ram Rod looked at Jill Lesh and didn’t see a manager. They saw a former waitress who once served them breakfast, but married their boss and now lorded over them, making what they considered uninformed decisions about key touring issues from routing to what was acceptable attire onstage. She banished headbands and other forms of hippie-wear. Parish fumed that Garcia never wore anything for anyone else’s pleasure. He didn’t bother to control his temper. At the end of the three-night run at Denver, the Leshes presented both with airplane tickets home. Kimock spotted the pair lingering backstage with the tickets in theirhands. He had spent most of his time with the crew, where he felt more at home. Parish was humiliated because he knew he had brought this on himself, but he was also angry. He wanted to cause some trouble. “Are you still making five hundred dollars a week?” he asked Kimock. “Jerry would have paid you five thousand. Go in there and ask what’s up with the money.” Kimock had been growing increasingly uncomfortable with the atmosphere surrounding the enterprise. He felt himself being subjected to loyalty tests and subtle inquisitions, and Kimock had no taste for politics. He was there for the music. He had been questioning Jill Lesh making more and more decisions that weren’t necessarily hers to make, stepping outside of established protocols, but sending Parish and Ram Rod home seemed like a last straw to the guitar monk. He decided to address his issues with the Leshes and, egged on by Parish, went to their dressing room. It did not go well. Jill Lesh went into a tirade. After listening to her rant about his lack of respect and loyalty, he left their dressing room. Lesh, who was watching TV, closed the door behind him. Minutes later, Jill Lesh charged into the crew food buffet, still yelling at Kimock, who was standing in the stairwell. She confronted him, enraged, and threw crumpled dollar bills in his shocked face. “You want money?” she said. Kimock took his gear off the truck, slept with it locked in his room, got up the next day, rented a truck, and drove back to California. A few days later, he left a cryptic post on his Web site: Dear Friends & Family: the Bob Dylan / Phil Lesh Tour. We apologize for any inconvenience, pray for your forgiveness, and look forward to your continued support. “I ain’t gonna work on Maggie’s Farm no more…” Signed, running & shooting behind him as fast as he can… —Steve Kimock
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Post by Filo on Oct 28, 2024 18:15:48 GMT -7
I think we know what Phil would say in response to that story if he could. One word starting with an A, then a long series of A’s, followed by several N’s and a D. Question mark.
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Post by Amster on Oct 28, 2024 19:58:47 GMT -7
Phil is dead. RIP.
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I never heard anything about that. What i was told was that him and Bobby didn't get along after Jerry died. THey had complete creative differences in the directions they wanted the Deads music to go in and while they still did iterations of the Dead they were feuding behind the scenes. But from my understanding, and this is obviously an outsider looking in, Phil was by no accounts a bad guy, he just had different visions for himself and the music he helped create. 
