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Post by Don Swifty on Jun 6, 2023 13:47:23 GMT -7
since the show came out BCS has been nominated for 64 emmys and hasn't won one. I am not one who thinks these awards are important but I think it's pretty crazy that a show was nominated so many times and didn't win once. I mean BCS and BB are 2 of the greatest shows ever created (imo) it blows my mind that this show got no recognition for it, especially with how phenomenal the acting and camera work is. Vince Gilligan has already signed on to do another show with AMC. Some say a Gus or Mike Prequal, I believe the next show will have no affiliation to the breaking bad universe. Maybe a couple movies down the road but let's not oversaturate 2 great series by creating another one How 'bout something in the universe, but with a minor character and a completely different style and feel? Like Ken, the stockbroker douche-bro who had his car blown up by Walt and got stuck paying for the expensive bottle of Tequila by Jimmy and Kim. Each week Ken acts like the douche he is and at the end is the big reveal where one of the many people he fucked with or annoyed gives him payback. The audience gets to guess during the first 2/3'rds who it is he crossed that's going to be this weeks agent of retribution and what form it will take. Next week Ken goes about his shit without having learned any lessons because like all those old shows each episode is stand alone and there's no overall character arc where we see him learn and grow, just joy for the audience who gets to watch a douche get his weekly comeuppance. Call it "Ken Wins" after his vanity license plate. Or a half-hour workplace sitcom (complete with laugh track) based on the nail salon where Jimmy's office was?
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 8, 2023 10:19:33 GMT -7
Did a re-watch of the reimagined Battlestar Galactica (Mormons in Space mashup with The Terminator - what a concept) and decided I'm now ready to dive back in to the world of Saul Goodman. Think I've been putting it off because I don't want it to end so have been watching anything but.
I've already seen the first 5 seasons but am re-watching since it's been a few years and I want my start to S6 to be seamless so that I'm not forgetting anything or have to go back and catch up here and there.
So good, I'm going through a season in 2 or 3 days. Wife and in-laws are being cool about not spoiling anything since they've seen all 6 seasons. I've been real diligent about not reading this thread but I'm looking forward to dipping my toes once I get into the last season.
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Post by GBK2point0 on Aug 8, 2023 11:49:15 GMT -7
I just re-watched the whole series again, even better the second time through. I decided to go back to Breaking Bad again as well. Already midway through the 3rd season.
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2023 12:03:01 GMT -7
RIP Mark Margolis
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Aug 8, 2023 12:05:12 GMT -7
I may just give this another shot. I bailed before the gettin got good because of how Sallllooooow 1st 2 seasons are
I understand slow burn n all, but Jiminy crickets is that fuggin at a snails pace
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2023 12:55:17 GMT -7
last season will keep you on the edge of your seat
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Post by GBK2point0 on Aug 9, 2023 5:45:49 GMT -7
I may just give this another shot. I bailed before the gettin got good because of how Sallllooooow 1st 2 seasons are I understand slow burn n all, but Jiminy crickets is that fuggin at a snails pace It can be argued that the 1st 2 seasons of Breaking bad are also very slow. There is some build up towards the end of both seasons but you could say some episodes drag. After watching the series straight through the 2nd time I would say the first 2 seasons aren't as slow as they seem imo. Lots of foreshadowing, lots of character build up and development. I would say worth tryng again, especially because the last 3 seasons will have you on the edge of your seat
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 14, 2023 18:14:35 GMT -7
Just finished S3 of the re-watch in prep for still unseen S6. Realized at the end of S2 that I could probably skip 3-5 and catch up by reading an online summary, but then I'd be depriving myself of such a good show.
I got up to page 9 in this thread before I stopped, not wanting to read any spoilers.
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 24, 2023 10:51:09 GMT -7
So who is caught up? can we talk spoilers? Holy shit the mid-season finale....HOLY SHIT!!! Just watched it yesterday. Obviously Howard wasn't a part of BB, so no surprise that something dramatic would happen to explain why he doesn't show up even one time in BB, but the writers looked like they were going to have Jimmy and Kim destroy his career so I was expecting he'd blow town in embarrassment, get sent to a rest home, or wind up getting busted and jailed. I did not expect what actually happened. Kind of feel bad for him. He was a narcisistic asshole, but he wasn't nearly as insufferable as Chuck. Everything in his final speech rang true with me. I don't think he deserved to go the way he did (who really does?), or even to fucked with so hard by Jimmy and Kim. Feel like I need to take a few days pause before starting up with the second half of the season. They kind of telegraphed how I'm guessing Lalo will go. Kim is the only major player whose fate remains a mystery. Looking forward to see what happens with Gene.
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 27, 2023 17:36:55 GMT -7
Finished. Now I have that post-show "it's really over and there is no more" depression. The new Jeff kind of distracted me. Not for the difference in appearance, more for the change in the character's attitude from menacing to meek - but not a show killer for me. I wonder if the producers/writers made any changes for the last season to reflect the casting change, or if they were planning on having Jeff change regardless. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Howard did some summer tour at some point during his undergrad years, but if you told me that someone on the show rocked a Stealie on their bumper I would have guessed Clifford Main. I wasn't expecting Bill Oakley to be a head. Weir Everywhere
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Post by GBK2point0 on Aug 30, 2023 12:05:14 GMT -7
So who is caught up? can we talk spoilers? Holy shit the mid-season finale....HOLY SHIT!!! Just watched it yesterday. Obviously Howard wasn't a part of BB, so no surprise that something dramatic would happen to explain why he doesn't show up even one time in BB, but the writers looked like they were going to have Jimmy and Kim destroy his career so I was expecting he'd blow town in embarrassment, get sent to a rest home, or wind up getting busted and jailed. I did not expect what actually happened. Kind of feel bad for him. He was a narcisistic asshole, but he wasn't nearly as insufferable as Chuck. Everything in his final speech rang true with me. I don't think he deserved to go the way he did (who really does?), or even to fucked with so hard by Jimmy and Kim. Feel like I need to take a few days pause before starting up with the second half of the season. They kind of telegraphed how I'm guessing Lalo will go. Kim is the only major player whose fate remains a mystery. Looking forward to see what happens with Gene. So Howards character confuses me the most. He did have a heart and he did try to help Jimmy at times throughout the series but it was all due to his own guilt and going along with Jimmy's brother for so many years. I understand why Jimmy never took a job from Howard after his brother committed suicide, it was because Jimmy felt that the only reason Howard was trying to help him was because he felt guilty and like he was responsible for Jimmy's brothers death. I don't believe Howard deserved to go the way he went but I also believe that his murder shaped who Saul was, especially when we saw him in the breaking bad universe. While Kim and Jimmy were trying to drage Howards name through the mud and humilate him they were not trying to kill him and his death was a wake up call to Kim that all of the shit that her and Jimmy pulled over the years was eventually catching up to her. Jimmy went in the opposite direction and continue to hustle because his first love was making money...which obviously why Kim eventually left him, she could not live with the guilt anymore, she had married her mom and despised her mom and could no longer be around that kind of toxicity. the last episode showed that Jimmy finally showed some sort of remorse which is why Kim came back.
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 14, 2023 13:21:54 GMT -7
Nacho went through a lot and I knew he wouldn’t survive but damn he hid in that abandoned oil tanker truck which looked like real oil and was filmed very eloquently and then he kept his word and really saved his dads life by taking his own life. Respect to Nacho.
Still getting caught up on this shit y’all. No spoilers
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 15, 2023 23:46:33 GMT -7
Howard and Lalo share a grave under the megalab at the mega laundry. I was certain Kim was going to get killed on her suicide mission to take out Fring per Lalo’s orders and glad she is still alive. Shit is stressful.
We have 5 more episodes in BCS and may consider a BB rewatch since it’s been like a decade already.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 16, 2023 6:15:20 GMT -7
Lately when I'm on the tube of you I've been getting hit up with BB snippets and after watching a few not only am I getting hit with more snippets (duh), but I'm also thinking about a BB rewatch too since it's so close to when I finished BCS. If I do it'll be my 3'rd, maybe 4'th watch.
BCS may be the overall better dramatic series in that it more profoundly (if only slightly) explores the arc of it's main character(s), but BB obviously had the greater number of iconic scenes. BCS seemed more dramatic with an occasional dash of action or physical tension, where BB had more suspenseful moments where the stakes were live and death. Love them both. It's amazing that Vince Gilligan was not only able to pull of such a high quality show as BB, but was then able to expand on it with a prequel with all the limitations necessary to have it work with the original series in such a way that he may have topped himself - ymmv.
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Post by Don Swifty on Sept 16, 2023 6:42:09 GMT -7
Just watched it yesterday. Obviously Howard wasn't a part of BB, so no surprise that something dramatic would happen to explain why he doesn't show up even one time in BB, but the writers looked like they were going to have Jimmy and Kim destroy his career so I was expecting he'd blow town in embarrassment, get sent to a rest home, or wind up getting busted and jailed. I did not expect what actually happened. Kind of feel bad for him. He was a narcisistic asshole, but he wasn't nearly as insufferable as Chuck. Everything in his final speech rang true with me. I don't think he deserved to go the way he did (who really does?), or even to fucked with so hard by Jimmy and Kim. Feel like I need to take a few days pause before starting up with the second half of the season. They kind of telegraphed how I'm guessing Lalo will go. Kim is the only major player whose fate remains a mystery. Looking forward to see what happens with Gene. So Howards character confuses me the most. He did have a heart and he did try to help Jimmy at times throughout the series but it was all due to his own guilt and going along with Jimmy's brother for so many years. I understand why Jimmy never took a job from Howard after his brother committed suicide, it was because Jimmy felt that the only reason Howard was trying to help him was because he felt guilty and like he was responsible for Jimmy's brothers death. I don't believe Howard deserved to go the way he went but I also believe that his murder shaped who Saul was, especially when we saw him in the breaking bad universe. While Kim and Jimmy were trying to drage Howards name through the mud and humilate him they were not trying to kill him and his death was a wake up call to Kim that all of the shit that her and Jimmy pulled over the years was eventually catching up to her. Jimmy went in the opposite direction and continue to hustle because his first love was making money...which obviously why Kim eventually left him, she could not live with the guilt anymore, she had married her mom and despised her mom and could no longer be around that kind of toxicity. the last episode showed that Jimmy finally showed some sort of remorse which is why Kim came back. I kind of got the feeling that when Howard confessed to feeling responsible for Chuck's suicide and it was obvious his feelings of guilt threw him off his game that Jimmy grabbed onto to that for all it was worth and transferred onto Howard whatever feelings of guilt he may have been feeling (even if only subconsciously) for his part in his brother's demise/death. I wonder if Howard hadn't folded the way he did if Jimmy would've gone after him with such contempt the way he did. Jimmy obviously loved Chuck and sought his approval. I kind of feel about Chuck like I do about Howard. Assholes. Deserving of having their superiority complexes come back to bite them in the ass. But driving your own brother to suicide (even if not your intent) is going too far - not that Jimmy thought Chuck would kill himself or had control of the consequences of his actions. Same with Howard. Fuck with him, sure. But Jimmy was out to completely destroy Howard and his actions got to the point where things were once again out of his control and he got Howard killed. And that scene where Kim came in to Jimmy's office with divorce papers and he was treating her like she no longer mattered to him ('Have a nice life, Kim') showed just how narcissistic and uncaring Jimmy is (or at least could be) himself. Other than bringing Chuck ice/food/newspapers everyday (which he may have also done partly to gain Chuck's approval for himself) it wasn't until the very end of the series were we see Jimmy do a truly selfless act. I was kind of bummed at first to see Jimmy throw away the relatively great deal he expertly gained for himself ("Blue Bell mint choc. chip ice cream - no substitutions"), but it was the perfect ending to his arc and perhaps the best way to end the series.
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 16, 2023 11:38:08 GMT -7
So Howards character confuses me the most. He did have a heart and he did try to help Jimmy at times throughout the series but it was all due to his own guilt and going along with Jimmy's brother for so many years. I understand why Jimmy never took a job from Howard after his brother committed suicide, it was because Jimmy felt that the only reason Howard was trying to help him was because he felt guilty and like he was responsible for Jimmy's brothers death. I don't believe Howard deserved to go the way he went but I also believe that his murder shaped who Saul was, especially when we saw him in the breaking bad universe. While Kim and Jimmy were trying to drage Howards name through the mud and humilate him they were not trying to kill him and his death was a wake up call to Kim that all of the shit that her and Jimmy pulled over the years was eventually catching up to her. Jimmy went in the opposite direction and continue to hustle because his first love was making money...which obviously why Kim eventually left him, she could not live with the guilt anymore, she had married her mom and despised her mom and could no longer be around that kind of toxicity. the last episode showed that Jimmy finally showed some sort of remorse which is why Kim came back. I kind of got the feeling that when Howard confessed to feeling responsible for Chuck's suicide and it was obvious his feelings of guilt threw him off his game that Jimmy grabbed onto to that for all it was worth and transferred onto Howard whatever feelings of guilt he may have been feeling (even if only subconsciously) for his part in his brother's demise/death. I wonder if Howard hadn't folded the way he did if Jimmy would've gone after him with such contempt the way he did. Jimmy obviously loved Chuck and sought his approval. I kind of feel about Chuck like I do about Howard. Assholes. Deserving of having their superiority complexes come back to bite them in the ass. But driving your own brother to suicide (even if not your intent) is going too far - not that Jimmy thought Chuck would kill himself or had control of the consequences of his actions. Same with Howard. Fuck with him, sure. But Jimmy was out to completely destroy Howard and his actions got to the point where things were once again out of his control and he got Howard killed. And that scene where Kim came in to Jimmy's office with divorce papers and he was treating her like she no longer mattered to him ('Have a nice life, Kim') showed just how narcissistic and uncaring Jimmy is (or at least could be) himself. Other than bringing Chuck ice/food/newspapers everyday (which he may have also done partly to gain Chuck's approval for himself) it wasn't until the very end of the series were we see Jimmy do a truly selfless act. I was kind of bummed at first to see Jimmy throw away the relatively great deal he expertly gained for himself ("Blue Bell mint choc. chip ice cream - no substitutions"), but it was the perfect ending to his arc and perhaps the best way to end the series. Divorce papers? Damnit why’d I read this?!
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Post by dirtyrice on Sept 20, 2023 23:06:41 GMT -7
Finally finished Better Call Saul. It was bittersweet ending and sad seeing Chuck again. I also kinda wish these last episodes weren’t in black and white. Lots of ups and downs but all in all I liked it.
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Post by Don Swifty on Oct 5, 2023 14:13:21 GMT -7
BB not BCS, but seemed like the place to post.
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Post by noclevername on Oct 5, 2023 17:36:07 GMT -7
Im behind times. Had no clue - I looked him up after a watch in early summer and was like dang he looks good for his age. RIP
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Post by noclevername on Oct 5, 2023 17:37:11 GMT -7
I may just give this another shot. I bailed before the gettin got good because of how Sallllooooow 1st 2 seasons are I understand slow burn n all, but Jiminy crickets is that fuggin at a snails pace I’m months late - idk if you have tried again. But this is worth it - easily one of my favorite shows I’ve seen
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