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Post by ancientchad on Mar 21, 2022 4:18:39 GMT -7
^ Been awhile since this tool had anything interesting to say
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Post by DisinformationGovernanceBoard on Mar 25, 2022 18:24:08 GMT -7
^ Been awhile since this tool had anything interesting to say Well, it's been a while since he could hold his head up high...
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Post by Vibyl on Mar 26, 2022 23:57:34 GMT -7
FUUUUCK people bitching about gas prices and people are getting bombed and starved everyday...and yeah it was hard enough watching when it happened in Syria and if the West collectively wouldve stopped it then, this might not be happening....
I get it, shit is expensive...inflation...blah blah...but fucking stop bitching because YOUR ass is not sitting with their children in a cold basement hoping not to get blown up everyday and havent eaten in 2 weeks...jfc...people in this country......ingrates
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Post by DisinformationGovernanceBoard on Mar 27, 2022 8:03:30 GMT -7
From Alina: Hello! My name is Alina Mitrofanova, I am 19 years old, and I live in Ukraine. Today my country is resisting the Russian invasion and the real war started by Russian president and led by Russian army. I am a huge Pink Floyd and Roger Waters fan, and it was very important for me to hear Roger’s opinion on this whole situation. It may not seem as urgent and critical, because this war can be considered as only “our problem”, but unfortunately it rapidly becomes a catastrophe for the entire Europe and world. The war started 11 days ago, and every day we hear sirens that signalize about bombs thrown by Russian occupants. Russia’s aggression destroys MY country, kills hundreds of innocent adults and children in MY country, and I cannot explain how many Ukrainians are forced to leave their homes and run away from this madness. Ukrainian Eastern cities are being destroyed by Russian army, hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating and becoming refugees, and their number is increasing every minute. I’m in pain, as many other Ukrainians, because it hurts a lot to see how MY country becomes a military target for Russia and its mad leader, who’s convinced that there are “neo-Nazis”, who have to be killed. It’s absolutely false, because I live here, and I can tell 200% that there are no such people there! I ask Roger to speak publicly about this war because I still cannot understand how a person, who wrote a significant number of anti-war lyrics, hasn’t spoken about tragedy yet. Furthermore, fully understand that Roger’s point of view may be different, but I ask him to share his own opinion on this war. It’s better than just being silent, because in this situation, silence is one of the worst enemies – it’s impossible to build a wall in this situation and stay isolated from this problem. I’m 95% sure that this letter will not be delivered to Roger directly, and it would be just a miracle if a have an answer. However, a man who speaks about risks of nuclear catastrophe and about the senselessness of the war cannot be silent in this situation. Tell the world your position! Best regards from Ukraine, Alina Mitrofanova From Roger: Dear Alina, I read your letter, I feel your pain, I am disgusted by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, it is a criminal mistake, in my opinion, the act of a gangster, there must be an immediate ceasefire. I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter. Rest assured if all our leaders don’t turn down the rhetoric and engage in diplomatic negotiations there will be precious little of Ukraine left when the fighting is over. A long drawn out insurgency in Ukraine would be great for the gangster hawks in Washington, it’s what they dream of, “playing the game” as they do, ”with the bravery of being out of range” I desperately hope your President is not a gangster too and that he will do what is best for his people, and demand of the Americans that they come to the table. Sadly, however, many world leaders are gangsters and my disgust for political gangsters did not start last week with Putin. I was disgusted by the gangsters Bush and Blair when they invaded Iraq in 2003, I was and still am disgusted by the gangster government of Israel’s invasion of Palestine in 1967 and its subsequent apartheid occupation of that land which has now been going on for over fifty years. I was disgusted by the gangsters Obama and Clinton ordering NATO’s illegal bombings of both Libya and Serbia. I am disgusted by the wholesale destruction of Syria initiated, as it was, in 2011 by outside interference in the cause of regime change. I was disgusted by the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 when the gangster Shimon Peres connived with the Christian Phalangist Militias in the murder of Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in the south of that country. I feel for you Alina, and your Mum and Dad and your uncles and aunts and brothers and sisters and cousins, I lost both my father Eric Fletcher Waters, and my grandfather George Henry Waters in wars fighting the Germans. Please believe me when I tell you that I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights signed in Paris 1948. I have fought as hard as I know how to foster and support human rights for all my brothers and sisters all over the world for as long as I can remember, and I support you and yours now, with all my heart. Speaking of gangsters, I do have to take issue with you about one thing in your letter, your “200%” belief that there are no Neo-Nazis in your country is almost certainly mistaken. Both the Azov Battalions in your army, the National Militia and C14 are well-known self-proclaimed Neo Nazis groups. They are gangsters too. Also, I have not been silent on Ukraine, I wrote a piece which was distributed six days ago by Globetrotter, I shall append it to this post: braveneweurope.com/roger-waters-the-war…What else Alina? Well, we the people, all of us in every country in the world, including Ukraine and Russia, can fight the gangsters, we can tell them we will not be part of their obscene and deadly wars to garner power and wealth at the expense of others, we can tell them that our families, in fact, all families all over the world mean more to us than all the power and money in the world. Where I live in the USA we can join Black Lives Matter or Code Pink or BDS or Veterans For Peace or myriad other anti-war, pro-law, pro-freedom, pro-human rights organizations. I will do anything I can to help effect the end of this awful war in your country, anything that is except wave a flag to encourage the slaughter. That is what the gangsters want, they want us to wave flags. That is how they divide and control us, by encouraging the waving of flags, to create a smokescreen of enmity to blind us to our innate capacity to empathize with one another, while they plunder and rape our fragile planet. I will do everything in my power to help bring peace back to you and your family and your beautiful country. The long-drawn-out war/insurgency that Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice and the rest of the has been gangster Washington Hawks are encouraging is not in your nor Ukraine’s best interests. I wish you well Alina. Thank you for your letter, and if you chose to send a reply to this. I will print that reply. I promise. Love R. PS. Have you got a dog? If so please send a pic.
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Post by DisinformationGovernanceBoard on Mar 27, 2022 8:04:25 GMT -7
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Post by DisinformationGovernanceBoard on Mar 27, 2022 8:06:14 GMT -7
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Post by higs on Mar 27, 2022 10:24:08 GMT -7
I'd like to see Roger put his money where his mouth is, but it looks like he'll have a turn at taking some money too.
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Post by higs on Mar 27, 2022 11:31:54 GMT -7
It's just a little ironic to me that this man continues to make his living off writing and performing songs about the "gangsters" of the world, while them being in power actually benefits his narrative. I'm also well aware that he gives money to multiple organizations, it just seems kind of self serving to then turn around and go on tour promoting those ideals all while charging your fans obscene amounts of money to see the show. He just comes off as another ego driven dude who is really about making himself some(a lot of) loot at the end of the day.
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Mar 27, 2022 12:25:55 GMT -7
Ain't nothin like an English man bitching against American politics....it was an amazing show
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Post by autophil74 on Mar 27, 2022 12:40:58 GMT -7
Classic waters...
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Post by bear on Mar 27, 2022 12:44:41 GMT -7
Is he going to blame this one on a Jewish conspiracy too?
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Post by Filo on Mar 27, 2022 13:13:48 GMT -7
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Post by Don Swifty on Mar 30, 2022 20:37:35 GMT -7
Well, reading since page 3 proved kind of interesting. As mentioned; lot of cubicle foreign policy experts. My cubicle may only be proverbial, but I know there's a lot of ins, lot of outs, and a lot of what have yous with this situation. Shit's way above my pay grade, but I'm trying to see what's motivating all the participants, active or not. If the Cold War was still going on I'd bet the US would freak if the Warsaw pact kept expanding right up to it's borders and Mexico and/or Canada wanted to join. I'm guessing for Putin this is similar to what it was like for the US watching the Soviets move into Cuba way back in the day - fear of the enemy getting closer and setting up (military) shop. Not justifying his actions, just trying to understand what motivates him. Kind of like how us anti-war progressives tried to understand what would motivate someone to plot and carry out 9-11 and figured it had something to do with US military bases and influence being in their back yard, front yard, and inside the house. Have to lol at the people who are all 'if Trump were President this wouldn't be happening.' Perhaps. But only because (as I've heard it explained by people I normally disagree with such as conservatives like John Bolton) Trump was doing everything Putin wanted him to. Pooty-Poot (as Bush knick-named him) is playing the long game. He's been runnin' the show there for 20 years and was likely hoping a second Trump term would mean further division in the West and continuing deterioration between the US and it's European allies to the point where Trump would even withdraw the US from NATO. So no motive for him to attack while Trump was in office if there'd be a strategic advantage to waiting until someone less friendly that he didn't have his hooks in took office. Sounds like Putin miscalculated on several levels, one of which being NATO and world response. Argentina's got a decent relationship with Russia (thanks for the Sputnik vax) but both the people and govt. are overwhelmingly with Ukraine - no surprise. It's a fucked up situation for sure. I'm with those here who are normally doves but want to see something happen that helps put a stop to Putin. But would that put a stop to the perpetual state of war? My guess would be nope; esp. if there's profit to be made. I'm sure the industrial military complex is happy to see this and is excited at the prospect of ramping up production and boosting profits. Hate to see those fuckers win, but also hate seeing civilians targeted. Times like these I look to what Noam Chomsky has to say. truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-russias-war-against-ukraine-has-accelerated-the-doomsday-clock/@gerg: I hope your cousin and family are as safe as possible and get through this. Vibes to you and your fam who I'm sure are concerned.
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Post by Don Swifty on Mar 30, 2022 20:42:35 GMT -7
I have no way of knowing for sure, but it sounds like this is more Putin's war and the Russian people are not for it - so instead of saying "Suck it Russia" I'll say "Suck it Putin!"
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Post by bear on Apr 2, 2022 12:12:51 GMT -7
I have no way of knowing for sure, but it sounds like this is more Putin's war and the Russian people are not for it - so instead of saying "Suck it Russia" I'll say "Suck it Putin!" Duly noted and changed. Thank you.
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Post by EddieBlake on Apr 2, 2022 13:37:03 GMT -7
Like the name change a lot.
Don't love this thread/war is awful.
Hope everything is okay with your family there GBK.
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Post by salmon401 on Apr 2, 2022 15:55:17 GMT -7
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Post by Don Swifty on Apr 6, 2022 19:40:49 GMT -7
I'm not a philatelist, but I want one of these. I hope Tucker, Marge, and all the rest get some fan mail from Ukraine.
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Post by Vibyl on Apr 12, 2022 12:52:08 GMT -7
Soooo...the bastards have murdered upward of 22,000 people in Mariupol.....said probably used phosphorous.
I know no one wants to hear it, but it is wrong to sit back and watch these people be destroyed and slaughtered....it is wrong.
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Post by higs on Apr 12, 2022 13:27:02 GMT -7
By any calculus, more war means more dead civilians.
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