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Post by chronicircle on Jan 16, 2019 19:25:18 GMT -7
I mean no offense to anyone here, but how does a legal law saying you can't grow for personal use, differ from any law currently?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 19:25:57 GMT -7
I'm pretty sure I'm right an there is not much reason to assume otherwise. It's already the word liquor stores are preparing. In Oregon the OLCC controls it, and thats why medical and anybody mid to small legally got pushed out. Once that happens the government controlled marijuana cartel uses revenues to hire task forces using the state to help uphold monopolies by destroying as many non liscenced farms as possible. After all it's those individuals growing small amounts of plants ruining the market, not multi million dollar carpet bagging investors growing 15,000 plants on Giants plots legally .. what q fucking joke Dude, I know you're young and you only made it out West for the first time in the last few years, but did you ever think things were any different as you described them above? Ever hear of CAMP?  It's before your time, and certainly before you ever made it out West. The feds and the states have been eradicating marijuana grows and prosecuting growers for a long ass time. Do you really think that 'state/fed run task forces that destroy as many marijuana farms as possible' is something that's only come about since legalization and only has ever existed to protect monopolies? You're getting all upset because business does what business does. They invest money with the goal of making a profit. They have lobbyists working for them who influence the lawmakers. It's the same in every business. Is it fair? Not really, but it's how it is and how it has been. A smart person, a pirate, will find a way to work with, through, or around the system in order to make a go of it for themselves. Prohibition and illegality create opportunities. I never heard old school growers from back in the days when ALL of this was illegal complain, complain, complain as much as you do. When you play the game you can't expect all the rules to written in a way that favors you. You create opportunity out of the fact that the rules are written against you. Stop being so soft and such a whiner. Those old growers and black marketeers were anything but, and that was when the game was a lot different and more dangerous. And try to have compassion for people who will benefit from this - even if you don't personally agree with the laws/system and hate that business are the ones who will profit. Or just move to someplace that isn't a capitalist system. We had low helicopter fly over this year. I'm familiar with camp. I'm also familiar with the fact that you can grow 99 plants max as a medical provider |
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Jan 16, 2019 19:26:22 GMT -7
It will still be illegal to grow the same plant someone else is allowed to profit off of.
Anyone that defines that as legal is a dumbfuck.
At least Michigan did not fuck it up nearly as bad as New York.
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Post by salmon401 on Jan 16, 2019 19:26:52 GMT -7
Shhhhh.
They will be breaking different laws.
But......
.....don’t worry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 19:26:59 GMT -7
I mean no offense to anyone here, but how does a legal law saying you can't grow for personal use, differ from any law currently? For example the state of Oregon allows you to grow 4 .. most places on the west coast are similar |
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Jan 16, 2019 19:27:40 GMT -7
I mean no offense to anyone here, but how does a legal law saying you can't grow for personal use, differ from any law currently? Here we are allowed 12 plants out of site of neighbors and structures and 15 ounces dry. |
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Jan 16, 2019 19:29:21 GMT -7
Shhhhh. They will be breaking different laws. But...... .....don’t worry about it. Arguing schematics with a closet conservative never works. He can defend his stance all he wants but NY got handed regulation not legalization. |
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 16, 2019 19:31:51 GMT -7
I'd imagine it would depend on the municipality, but I doubt a cop stumbling across a plant or two is going to want to bother filling out the paperwork. Coming across an actual grow might be a different story, but really no different than the story we've all known for years. Shit's illegal to grow, illegality creates opportunities, those willing to take the risks can profit on it's illegality. Same as it ever was.
Complaining that it's not fair that it's legal for state approved businesses who've been granted licenses may change things, if the complaints are directed to the right people - think state legislatures, not dR00g band forums. Complaining to the average weed smoker who no longer needs to worry about being arrested for simple possession of personal amounts and may be able to legally buy his weed (crappy and pricey as it may be) in something as convenient as a dispensary is likely to fall on deaf ears.
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Post by chronicircle on Jan 16, 2019 19:32:33 GMT -7
Sorry wasnt referring to any local law where you may live, but rather the current law in NY. I guess for an end user I don't see much of a difference. If I was in the biz and saw others profiting off a product I can grow and cultivate better, yeah I'd be pissed. It makes sense to be upset.
For an end user though I'd have to believe though the chances of getting caught growing a plant or 2 for personal use is pretty low. Unless you went and told everyone you know about it.
I know you guys can grow and cultivate more in other states, just worded my question poorly. My bad.
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Post by chronicircle on Jan 16, 2019 19:36:09 GMT -7
Swifty gets it.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 16, 2019 19:39:53 GMT -7
It will still be illegal to grow the same plant someone else is allowed to profit off of. Anyone that defines that as legal is a dumbfuck. At least Michigan did not fuck it up nearly as bad as New York. This how the liquor industry works. It's illegal to distill the same spirits that someone else is allowed to profit off of. I might not agree with the law, but it is, according the how the law is written, legal. |
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 16, 2019 19:47:51 GMT -7
Shhhhh. They will be breaking different laws. But...... .....don’t worry about it. Arguing schematics with a closet conservative never works. He can defend his stance all he wants but NY got handed regulation not legalization. I'm not disagreeing with your general points, but I think most people who use cannabis would say that even if it's not as good as legalization, regulation, though far from perfect, is better than complete illegality. Baby steps. Even the states will legal recreational weed didn't start out that way. A ho's got to take what they can get until they can get what they want. |
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Jan 16, 2019 19:59:26 GMT -7
Arguing schematics with a closet conservative never works. He can defend his stance all he wants but NY got handed regulation not legalization. I'm not disagreeing with your general points, but I think most people who use cannabis would say that even if it's not as good as legalization, regulation, though far from perfect, is better than complete illegality. Baby steps. Even the states will legal recreational weed didn't start out that way. A ho's got to take what they can get until they can get what they want. California, Oregon, Washington and Michigan all started with relatively ok regulations. It gets worse not better. Now that that majority of the industry is coorperate do you think it will ever become a small farmers market again? I guarantee every grower that is not rich and had hopes of earning a legal living off of it in NY is throwing a tantrum tonight. Local communities will not see the revenues or employment they would have if done fairly. But thats not how things go. Sorry I flipped out on venk the sheep. He means well even if confused as all hell. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 20:08:43 GMT -7
I mean no offense to anyone here, but how does a legal law saying you can't grow for personal use, differ from any law currently? Here we are allowed 12 plants out of site of neighbors and structures and 15 ounces dry. Right. And even putting a 12 plant limit makes shit for sense unless you consider money and control ... Then it makes sense |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Jan 16, 2019 20:08:58 GMT -7
Herb should belike fruits n vegetables
If I want to get it in a store u can
If u want to get it at a flea/farmers market I can
If I want to get it at a small stand on the side of the road, I can
It's WEED
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 20:10:31 GMT -7
I'd imagine it would depend on the municipality, but I doubt a cop stumbling across a plant or two is going to want to bother filling out the paperwork. Coming across an actual grow might be a different story, but really no different than the story we've all known for years. Shit's illegal to grow, illegality creates opportunities, those willing to take the risks can profit on it's illegality. Same as it ever was. Complaining that it's not fair that it's legal for state approved businesses who've been granted licenses may change things, if the complaints are directed to the right people - think state legislatures, not dR00g band forums. Complaining to the average weed smoker who no longer needs to worry about being arrested for simple possession of personal amounts and may be able to legally buy his weed (crappy and pricey as it may be) in something as convenient as a dispensary is likely to fall on deaf ears. Apparently you haven't been paying attention. California went rec and in 1 year flat real people (growers ) are freaking out in numbers |
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 16, 2019 20:21:10 GMT -7
I'm not disagreeing with your general points, but I think most people who use cannabis would say that even if it's not as good as legalization, regulation, though far from perfect, is better than complete illegality. Baby steps. Even the states will legal recreational weed didn't start out that way. A ho's got to take what they can get until they can get what they want. California, Oregon, Washington and Michigan all started with relatively ok regulations. It gets worse not better. Now that that majority of the industry is coorperate do you think it will ever become a small farmers market again? I guarantee every grower that is not rich and had hopes of earning a legal living off of it in NY is throwing a tantrum tonight. Local communities will not see the revenues or employment they would have if done fairly. But thats not how things go. Sorry I flipped out on venk the sheep. He means well even if confused as all hell. I doubt it will ever become a small farmers market again because it was never a small farmers market to begin with. If it ever was, it was on the down low, the black market. Not your local small farmers market that sets up in the field next to the supermarket every Thursday. Maybe someday, but not yesterday and not today. It used to be illegal. It's still illegal. Nothing's changed except for those with the connections in Albany and the capital to go through all the licensing steps. I'm not saying it's fair to the average person who had hopes of earning a legal living off of it in NY. I get the frustration. My point is that instead of whining and complaining and finding the bad in everything, I'd be looking for ways to profit in a system I don't control. Like the mafia did in the age of prohibition. It's too early to tell, and it's not like I'm a big player with my feet on the ground there, but all of this could wind up helping the black market prosper by introducing new cannabis users into the market - increase demand. I'd imagine not all of them will be happy with the legal offerings and will eventually start looking elsewhere. "Damn, that's some good weed. What dispensary you get that at?" "I didn't get it from a dispensary. My boy hooks me up. He's always got the chron-criggity, and for better prices than you'll pay in the dispensary." "The what? Whatever. Hook me up with an intro or score some for me next time you get a bag." When I was a kid and would say to my dad "that's not fair" his response was always the same - "who told you that life was fair?" Used to piss me off, but the old man had a point and his drilling that into me is a lesson I'll never forget. Life ain't fair. Either deal with it, or bitch and complain, but don't expect the latter to get you anywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 20:26:24 GMT -7
I'm not disagreeing with your general points, but I think most people who use cannabis would say that even if it's not as good as legalization, regulation, though far from perfect, is better than complete illegality. Baby steps. Even the states will legal recreational weed didn't start out that way. A ho's got to take what they can get until they can get what they want. California, Oregon, Washington and Michigan all started with relatively ok regulations. It gets worse not better. Now that that majority of the industry is coorperate do you think it will ever become a small farmers market again? I guarantee every grower that is not rich and had hopes of earning a legal living off of it in NY is throwing a tantrum tonight. Local communities will not see the revenues or employment they would have if done fairly. But thats not how things go. Sorry I flipped out on venk the sheep. He means well even if confused as all hell. Exactly. People who think it's baby steps are a combination of stupid and uninformed. Every single legal market got exponentially worse and more consolidated each passing year. Your government takes things, they don't give. If only history told you that over and over more times than I could write over and over.on this page |
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 16, 2019 20:30:53 GMT -7
I'd imagine it would depend on the municipality, but I doubt a cop stumbling across a plant or two is going to want to bother filling out the paperwork. Coming across an actual grow might be a different story, but really no different than the story we've all known for years. Shit's illegal to grow, illegality creates opportunities, those willing to take the risks can profit on it's illegality. Same as it ever was. Complaining that it's not fair that it's legal for state approved businesses who've been granted licenses may change things, if the complaints are directed to the right people - think state legislatures, not dR00g band forums. Complaining to the average weed smoker who no longer needs to worry about being arrested for simple possession of personal amounts and may be able to legally buy his weed (crappy and pricey as it may be) in something as convenient as a dispensary is likely to fall on deaf ears. Apparently you haven't been paying attention. California went rec and in 1 year flat real people (growers ) are freaking out in numbers I'm not following. What exactly that you've quoted me on are you referring to? I get that growers are freaking out because legality results in their prices dropping. Basic supply and demand. I get that growers are real people, but so are average cannabis users. There are a shit ton more average users than there are growers. Someone's always freaking out. Human nature. The cannabis market and laws are in a state of change right now. For years, when it all was completely illegal, it was a lot more stable. Change freaks people out, esp. when the change (for them) is for the worse, or at best makes what used to be stable now unstable. Why do you care? Aren't you all about wanting the country to burn down and everyone along with it? You think you can have a situation where shit burns down but growers and their houses are going to be left standing? If shit burns down ain't nobody gonna be buying your product. |
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 16, 2019 20:59:19 GMT -7
California, Oregon, Washington and Michigan all started with relatively ok regulations. It gets worse not better. Now that that majority of the industry is coorperate do you think it will ever become a small farmers market again? I guarantee every grower that is not rich and had hopes of earning a legal living off of it in NY is throwing a tantrum tonight. Local communities will not see the revenues or employment they would have if done fairly. But thats not how things go. Sorry I flipped out on venk the sheep. He means well even if confused as all hell. Exactly. People who think it's baby steps are a combination of stupid and uninformed. Every single legal market got exponentially worse and more consolidated each passing year. Your government takes things, they don't give. If only history told you that over and over more times than I could write over and over.on this page I think you're just looking at things from one point of view only. You complain that the laws only benefit certain people who profit, but it comes across that you're sore that you're not the one who the law benefits and allows to profit. If it were written in your favor then I imagine you wouldn't have any problem or reason to complain (in this instance) about everything you're now complaining about. Or maybe you would anyway because you seem to enjoy complaining? I'm looking at it from the point of view of the average cannabis end user who just wants to get high or the person who now has legal access to the medical benefits the plant provides. I don't really care about who can or can't profit legally, etc.. I may have at one time when I was a grower, but I don't anymore. I don't get caught up in the fairness of it all because I don't have the belief that it's an inherently fair world. That's not what the plant is about to me. I just don't want to see people go to jail or otherwise get tied up in the legal system because they have a bag for personal use. I have no problem if it benefits the many cannabis end users and the corporations who always seem to win out in these distribution situations (because I just don't feel like wasting my time complaining about things I have no control over - I'd rather live my life on my own terms to the best of my ability. Neither govt. or corporations prevent me from doing so.) I have no problem if growers who've always been operating on the illegal side of the law have to continue doing so, though I hope the law becomes grayer for them. Shit changes. Bootleggers during prohibition had to adapt when prohibition was repealed. Life ain't fair. I have no expectations of the govt.. For the most part, I tried to work around govt. and not be on their radar. Sure, they took from me anyway. Every time I bought a gallon of gas to drive on the roads the govt. built. Every time I bought something subject to sales tax, alcohol or tobacco tax, etc.. I don't think the govt. is benign, but I don't deny that they provided benefits to me and others such as roads, infrastructure, garbage collection, snow removal, public transportation, libraries, fire departments, etc.. Name for me one large society that doesn't have any functioning govt. at all and that didn't collect taxes. I'd move there, as long as it didn't function like govt. free Somalia where instead of the govt. taking, you have warlords taking. |
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