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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:28:57 GMT -7
^So the stage at which it's a blastocyst is approximately 5-9 days after conception in humans. Most women don't even know they're pregnant at that point.
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Post by bussit on Jan 21, 2019 12:29:54 GMT -7
And not a person
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Post by bussit on Jan 21, 2019 12:30:35 GMT -7
You would need a microscope to see it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 12:32:15 GMT -7
I also think most species entire life is devoted to baby making. So baby killing is about is un natural as it gets. wild animals kill or abandon their young when they know they can't feed or take care of them. |
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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:32:19 GMT -7
To answer the original question, while I understand that a fertilized egg is the begging of a life, I do not consider it an actual life until it develops. I don’t believe it is murder. I believe it is an incredibly hard choice for many women to make, even if....wait for it....it’s the right choice. I also don’t believe in god, so that helps me with the whole “life” thing. Hunting, even for food, could be considered murder if you throw away the notion that humans are the most important species on the planet, and that it somehow belongs to us. We may be the most developed, but how can you really say we are more important? Oh, right. God. We were made in his image. And a fertilized egg is another one of God’s own, so it’s murder. Now go bird/deer hunting with a rifle, because that’s food, not one of God’s own. I think almost every pro lifer is also religious person, and non religious people shouldn’t have to adopt their morality, much less have their laws dictated by it. -I was waiting for hunting to come up. You make good points with a few generalizations thrown in. I think nature has shown that eating animals to stay alive is part of an ecosystem. Is there any natural ecosystem in which abortion is a part of the natural order of things? |
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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:32:54 GMT -7
You would need a microscope to see it -A person's a person no matter how small |
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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:33:23 GMT -7
I also think most species entire life is devoted to baby making. So baby killing is about is un natural as it gets. wild animals kill or abandon their young when they know they can't feed or take care of them. -not in utero? |
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Post by treetophigh on Jan 21, 2019 12:33:45 GMT -7
it is legit a geneticially distinct individual.
how does "person" have anything to do with the issue? at this point we are discussing illegitimate "values" of life, equivalent to allowing religion to weigh in on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 12:34:11 GMT -7
I feel like saying things like, "I believe a woman's freedom to control when she gives birth supercedes everything else" is a polite way for someone to say that a woman should be able to take a life if she chooses. that's exactly what I'm saying. |
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Post by bussit on Jan 21, 2019 12:35:20 GMT -7
You would need a microscope to see it -A person's a person no matter how small If you could take a look in that microscope, it would be obvious that there wasn't a small person there. It's just a few cells clumped together. |
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Post by treetophigh on Jan 21, 2019 12:36:13 GMT -7
"person" is irrelevant, unless you can explain the relevance
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Post by frododoknobo on Jan 21, 2019 12:36:47 GMT -7
wild animals kill or abandon their young when they know they can't feed or take care of them. -not in utero? No, after they are actually born, when they are actually a living being. This also answers your earlier question to me. |
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Post by frododoknobo on Jan 21, 2019 12:38:23 GMT -7
Lions don’t give each other abortions, guys.
-ferd
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Post by EddieBlake on Jan 21, 2019 12:42:00 GMT -7
Hey guys, what the difference between a bag of cocaine and a baby?
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Post by lerner on Jan 21, 2019 12:42:08 GMT -7
some birds do tho...
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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:45:16 GMT -7
-They eat their own eggs? I did not know that. Chickens will eat an egg if it cracks...but at that point the life of the chick is already forfeit. |
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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:46:11 GMT -7
Lions don’t give each other abortions, guys. -ferd -You know, I'm trying to have a discussion based on mutual respect. |
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Post by EddieBlake on Jan 21, 2019 12:48:02 GMT -7
Lions don’t give each other abortions, guys. -ferd -You know, I'm trying to have a discussion based on mutual respect. Asking how I feel about murder doesn't seem so respectful. |
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Post by lerner on Jan 21, 2019 12:48:09 GMT -7
fish too...
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Post by ferd on Jan 21, 2019 12:49:16 GMT -7
You are the most sensitive person I have ever met. I asked you a question. I didn't insinuate one way or another how I thought you felt about it. I wasn't belittling or degrading.
You read tone into text far too often, it's exhausting. I'm sorry to have triggered you. If it helps, I just won't converse with you any more.
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