Goose

Agreed.

If someone could post an example of Goose that makes me think holy shit these guys are amazingly creative and talented I would like to hear it. So far the only really strong comparison to phish I can detect is they have fans on droogs.

The beginning licks on Guitar on the video I shared sounds like Moe.

Umph's tempo just kills them for me.

I came across a subreddit post a few days ago with a clip of a band, the name escapes me, and it asked whether it sounded more like the GD or Phish. I listened and got SCI from it.

i think part of the hate for goose stems from their almost over night rise in popularity in the scene. almost as if people hate on them just to hate because they got big fast, so its the cool thing to do. its all fucking silly. music is subjective, and i'll listen to whatever i want. 

I feel like Billy Strings has had a similar trajectory in terms of seemingly overnight popularity and he doesn’t get the same flack.

valid point. i feel like that's because people find it hard to hate on his virtuosity on guitar, but they'll still hate on bluegrass because its not their thing lol. 

Don't be mad he never called you again.

The more a jamband reminds me of another jamband the less likely it is I'm going to like them. A "lite" version of a band doesn't interest when I can have the full caloried version, so when I hear a band described as Phishlite (for example) I'm already not all that interested before I've even heard them.

The interesting thing about Phish from way back in the day was that they were compared to tGD, but barely any of that had to do with how they sounded. It was about the variety in setlists, 'every show is different,' following them on ter, dr00gs, but though they also jammed/explored, they did it coming from a different (more contemporary) set of influences and they didn't sound anything like tGD. Nobody described them as Deadlite.

A lot of the newer jambands I've heard sound like they listened to a lot of Phish and some of them jam, but it's more noodling solos than trying to create something different, experimental, jazz fusion(y), whatever you want to call it. Those kind of bands can be fun if they're playing a local bar as background music while hanging with friends, but I wouldn't drive to see them or drop any kind of serious ticket money on them. No matter how good (competent) they may be, I haven't heard any bands in the jam genre break out of that feel good background music local bar tier into the tier with the bands who bring originality and at least in their early years something new. Good alone don't cut it for me. You need to bring something new. And if you bring something new you need to keep reinventing yourself, even if you're mostly playing the same tunes. Phish did that probably at least 5 times in the 90's with their mix of old/new tunes with their ever changing stylistic approaches to how the songs are played.