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Post by saulgoodman on Aug 6, 2020 11:58:35 GMT -7
I concur in the consensus: Great Zappa is great and some Zappa is unlistenable. I can go a few more lifetimes w/o needing to hear thingfish or Billy the Mountain. But it is so worth it for the likes of the Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats, Waka/Jawaka, Weasels Ripped My Flesh & even Overnite Sensation.
To me, Joe's Garage is the perfect example. You get atuff like Catholic Girls, funny and groovy fora minute or so maybe. But then you get Watermelon in Easter Hay. Nuff said!
And yes, most the greats from the 60's and 70's turned 2 poop in the 80's. Dylan with Empire Burlesque and Neil with Landing on Water, ugh! The Stones made Undercover-more ugh!
By contrast, the Dead did okay, but I don't give them a pass on the likes of Easy Answers (guess that's the 90's, but still).
Aw, look at me; I'm rambling again!
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Post by senatooorofspace on Aug 6, 2020 12:08:40 GMT -7
Apostrophe is a good album
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 6, 2020 12:17:45 GMT -7
At least The Dead never went full "We Built This City" and "Valley Girl." That's some embarrassing shit right there. They may have written We Built This City but they also wrote Jane which kicks ass. Actually, We Built This City was co-written and produced by Peter Wolf. Not the J. Geils Band Peter Wolf, but the German Peter Wolf who was one of Zappa's keyboard players in the late 70's. The circle closes. I remember when Jane was a single on the radio. Loved that song and still don't mind when it hear it. Sometimes I'll even seek it out on Youtube. |
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 6, 2020 12:31:09 GMT -7
I concur in the consensus: Great Zappa is great and some Zappa is unlistenable. I can go a few more lifetimes w/o needing to hear thingfish or Billy the Mountain. But it is so worth it for the likes of the Grand Wazoo, Hot Rats, Waka/Jawaka, Weasels Ripped My Flesh & even Overnite Sensation. To me, Joe's Garage is the perfect example. You get atuff like Catholic Girls, funny and groovy fora minute or so maybe. But then you get Watermelon in Easter Hay. Nuff said! And yes, most the greats from the 60's and 70's turned 2 poop in the 80's. Dylan with Empire Burlesque and Neil with Landing on Water, ugh! The Stones made Undercover-more ugh! By contrast, the Dead did okay, but I don't give them a pass on the likes of Easy Answers (guess that's the 90's, but still). Aw, look at me; I'm rambling again! We're on the same page as far as listenable and never really need to hear again. The second version of The Mothers was a disapointment compared to what came before and immediately after. We probably have that guy who pushed Zappa offstage and put him in a wheelchair to thank for ending the Flo & Eddie years. Joe's Garage is the perfect example. You get Catholic Girls and all the Central Scrutinizer stuff that gets old after the second or third listening, but then there's Watermelon in Easter Hay and all of those great live solos that he spliced into the studio recordings (what he called Xenochrony). When I listen to JG most times I just skip through to all the solos and anything featuring Vinnie's drum parts. Sheik Yerbouti is pretty similar, though maybe with a bit better songwriting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenochrony |
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Post by flyinghellphish on Aug 6, 2020 12:48:41 GMT -7
some peoples musical comprehension skills are meh. zappa has a lot of great stuff.
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Post by Vibyl on Aug 6, 2020 12:58:28 GMT -7
Zoot Allures and Hot Rats...used to listen to those a whole lot..Hung out with a bunch of bros who loved his stuff...I like his biting wit and he can sling some groove
*Dead '70-'72 ftw them jams
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 6, 2020 13:04:52 GMT -7
some peoples musical comprehension skills are meh. zappa has a lot of great stuff. So true. I feel sorry, in a way, for the people who can't get get into anything deeper than what Frank called the 'strictly commercial' stuff because it's too complicated for them, or just sounds like 'noise,' and venture even just a little bit deeper. That's where it starts getting truly interesting, though even some of that commercial stuff has some interesting things going on - it's just not the reason the fans of 'strictly commercial' are into it. |
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Post by EddieBlake on Aug 6, 2020 13:05:43 GMT -7
They may have written We Built This City but they also wrote Jane which kicks ass. Actually, We Built This City was co-written and produced by Peter Wolf. Not the J. Geils Band Peter Wolf, but the German Peter Wolf who was one of Zappa's keyboard players in the late 70's. The circle closes. I remember when Jane was a single on the radio. Loved that song and still don't mind when it hear it. Sometimes I'll even seek it out on Youtube. I was exposed to it through Wet Hot American Summer. What a movie. What a song! |
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Post by Vibyl on Aug 6, 2020 13:07:13 GMT -7
Jane is the only Starship I can listen to lol
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Post by Vibyl on Aug 6, 2020 13:08:17 GMT -7
Will go see Dweezil do daddy's stuff again in a skinny minute...very good
*one day....I should say
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Post by flyinghellphish on Aug 6, 2020 13:09:18 GMT -7
some peoples musical comprehension skills are meh. zappa has a lot of great stuff. So true. I feel sorry, in a way, for the people who can't get get into anything deeper than what Frank called the 'strictly commercial' stuff because it's too complicated for them, or just sounds like 'noise,' and venture even just a little bit deeper. That's where it starts getting truly interesting, though even some of that commercial stuff has some interesting things going on - it's just not the reason the fans of 'strictly commercial' are into it. "dreaming of guitar notes that would irritate" |
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 6, 2020 13:14:45 GMT -7
Actually, We Built This City was co-written and produced by Peter Wolf. Not the J. Geils Band Peter Wolf, but the German Peter Wolf who was one of Zappa's keyboard players in the late 70's. The circle closes. I remember when Jane was a single on the radio. Loved that song and still don't mind when it hear it. Sometimes I'll even seek it out on Youtube. I was exposed to it through Wet Hot American Summer. What a movie. What a song! I remember hearing it a lot when I was on a family vacation at a dude ranch outside of Poughkeepsie (where I spent more time playing video games in the rec room and hanging with other kids after discovering I was highly alergic to horses). Not quite summer camp, but close enough. |
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Post by flyinghellphish on Aug 6, 2020 13:14:55 GMT -7
I was at this one when they dropped this one on me, nice little reggae number
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Post by Don Swifty on Aug 6, 2020 13:18:32 GMT -7
So true. I feel sorry, in a way, for the people who can't get get into anything deeper than what Frank called the 'strictly commercial' stuff because it's too complicated for them, or just sounds like 'noise,' and venture even just a little bit deeper. That's where it starts getting truly interesting, though even some of that commercial stuff has some interesting things going on - it's just not the reason the fans of 'strictly commercial' are into it. "dreaming of guitar notes that would irritate" "An executive kinda guy" |
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Post by bussit on Aug 6, 2020 14:06:31 GMT -7
Crunch
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Post by lordkundalini on Aug 6, 2020 14:20:27 GMT -7
never feel sorry for people who have different tastes. whats important is how hard you rage what you like, at least for me.
in the end I myself identify with music emotionally, not analytically which is mighty fine if you do.
I dont think about music, I just try to become it, be fully into it which means leaving the thinking mind behind.
thats how im wired, others im sure are different. you got to work with what you are.
Zappa just dont do it for me. Id much rather listen to say Mozart
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Post by higs on Aug 6, 2020 15:54:05 GMT -7
At some point, probably the wee early 2000s, I came across the first five volumes of You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore in the used rack at a Karma Records. Of course I bought them. I hadn't listened to much of him besides the two vinyl albums a buddy had. Apostrophe and Joe's Garage. I highly recommend Vol 1 Disc 2, All of Vol 2, and Vol 4 Disc 1. Those were the ones I ended up listening to a lot. The guitar solo on Torture Never Stops on V1D2 is freaking gnarly. So good.
As far as albums I listened to Over-Nite Sensation the most. Bongo Fury gets a serious nod.
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Post by flyinghellphish on Aug 6, 2020 16:02:56 GMT -7
a friend of mine let me borrow a gd tape in like 1990 and I was like what were those two songs at the end for fillers ? honey don't you want a man like me and titties and beer from live in nyc, "that's frank zappa" ive been a fan ever since.
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Aug 6, 2020 17:04:47 GMT -7
bagmerboy is meh
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Aug 6, 2020 17:22:00 GMT -7
The person that introduce me to Zappa also showed me the easiest way to get all the lame people to leave a party is to start playing Zappa.
And agreed on the Dweezil. Seen him twice. Delivered the goods both times.
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