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Post by hokiejoe on Jul 19, 2022 8:53:59 GMT -7
Bernie would have lost by historic margins. People older than me are terrified of Bernie and what he stands for. People are literally more afraid of "socialism" than they are of fascism and I can't make them smarter. I've seen virtually zero posts acting like Joe Biden is a hero. Enjoy the DeSantis administration. People are not afraid of socialism. Last I heard most people love having their rubbish picked up once a week and mail delivered to their homes, and Medicare.. all forms of socialism.Whatβs so terrible about healthcare for all, free education, all people housed with mental health issues addressed? Oh yeahβ¦ dems are to busy fighting proxy wars in Ukraine, Libya, Sirya, and Yemen. More war and less basic American human needs met is the name of the game it seems. Of course, if we just let Russia conquer Europe we would magically have universal healthcare. Have you met Republicans? Literally none of them want to provide healthcare to you. We got Obamacare only after it was stripped to the bone by Republicans and they have spent the ensuing 12 years trying to get rid of it. You may remember the John McCain vote that saved it and caused his party to melt down. Yes people like getting services that are socialist in nature, the problem is half of those people don't want taxpayers to pay for it. Republicans gave killing the postal service a pretty good shot and they have failed to expand Medicare in most Republican led states. I literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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Post by ashell on Jul 19, 2022 8:55:55 GMT -7
I think part of the problem is Democrats are always trying to hit the home run. These bills are so loaded with items that no-one really knows what is in them, and then if you have any issues with one part you cant support any of the items. It also gives the Rebubs talking points that the Dem bills are too big and too expensive.
I say make each bill a single issue item, and that would force all of the Senators/Congressmen/women to go on the record for how they stand on each individual issue. Many of these are supported by a majority of the public and maybe forcing each issue will help get people on your side or potentially voted out of office.
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Post by bussit on Jul 19, 2022 9:07:42 GMT -7
I would love to see single item bills come up for votes. I'm sure there has been plenty of them written but there is no way Nancy Pelosi would let them come up for a vote as long as she is the speaker. She's part of the machine that wants the confusion and ambiguity, they need it.
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Post by DisinformationGovernanceBoard on Jul 19, 2022 9:07:55 GMT -7
Russiaβs goal was never to conquer Europe lol. Protecting sovereignty and not allowing Russian Ukrainians to continue being slaughtered by nazis fascists yes. You want to know the enemy? Take a close look at the world economic forum. Youβll own nothing and like it! Deal with it says Western Europe? Canada, USA, and Australia. Donβt fuck with our agenda Russia, China, and India. βWeβre in charge of the world say the oligarchy trillioniars. We run this shit!β
They were not prepared for pushback by the rest of the world counties/ economies.
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Post by bussit on Jul 19, 2022 9:09:17 GMT -7
This is all so crazy that I feel like I'm starting to sound like an old school conspiracy theorist just talking about it
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Post by DisinformationGovernanceBoard on Jul 19, 2022 9:10:02 GMT -7
And the sanctions backfired miserably. Other countries are now saying to themselves?? Could they do the same to us if we donβt fall in line like good trained subservients?
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Post by chronicircle on Jul 19, 2022 9:11:09 GMT -7
What's the over/under on total pages for this thread during Biden's presidency? I'm gonna set the line at 262.5 to start, and I think I'm leaning under. Should be a defensive battle compared to the president shithead thread... the under is the lock of the century so far. must mean that ol diamond joe is doing something right. if he wasn't, we'd have 500 pages of vitriol like we had the shithead thread.
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Post by higs on Jul 19, 2022 9:37:28 GMT -7
Too much kooky.
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Post by Vibyl on Jul 19, 2022 10:26:40 GMT -7
I wrote a letter to him yesterday begging for him to forgive student loans... yeah..I know..LOL Under new rules Im supposed to be eligible, but right now they have me slated to be paying almost 800 bucks a month....which is just laughable bc I cant afford any....Will let you know how that pans out. Im hating life right now. Did you check the income based payment program? Its an acceptable approach for the SLFP. Link your tax info to the loans and then pay based on your documented income. I have to say, I assume you would pay much less than 800 a month considering my payment amount. Thanks for that breh. I logged back in today to call them about this BS and they had fixed it....now its under $200. The simple fact remains my loan amount has not come down at all...I have only paid on interest all these years. Im filing under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program to try to get it wiped out. There's a number of steps..but Biden is the one that changed the rules so that all those years I paid on it qualify even if I wasnt under the correct loan type. Thanks for that, at least.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jul 19, 2022 10:44:50 GMT -7
People are not afraid of socialism. Last I heard most people love having their rubbish picked up once a week and mail delivered to their homes, and Medicare.. all forms of socialism.Whatβs so terrible about healthcare for all, free education, all people housed with mental health issues addressed? Oh yeahβ¦ dems are to busy fighting proxy wars in Ukraine, Libya, Sirya, and Yemen. More war and less basic American human needs met is the name of the game it seems. Of course, if we just let Russia conquer Europe we would magically have universal healthcare. Have you met Republicans? Literally none of them want to provide healthcare to you. We got Obamacare only after it was stripped to the bone by Republicans and they have spent the ensuing 12 years trying to get rid of it. You may remember the John McCain vote that saved it and caused his party to melt down. Yes people like getting services that are socialist in nature, the problem is half of those people don't want taxpayers to pay for it. Republicans gave killing the postal service a pretty good shot and they have failed to expand Medicare in most Republican led states. I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Healthcare kind of sums up where 'merica is politically as a country. I may be a little wrong on this, or a whole bunch, so correct me where/if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obamacare originally what was proposed by the GOP, who were (theoretically) for it when it was their idea, but I guess once it got tagged "Obamacare" maybe they didn't want to give him a win and figured they couldn't spin it as having come up with it, so then the GOP decided they wanted to kill it? Obviously the GOP is all over the map on that, and I guess you could say the Dems are as well for pushing through what was originally GOP legislation which favored the private insurance industry. I guess politically it was a win for them in that they could claim success on something without having to give in to any kind of single payer plan, which probably wouldn't be welcomed by their faction of the big bucks corporate donor class. All these years later it seems that health care is still an issue and Obamacare sounds better in theory than practice - otherwise people wouldn't still be complaining about the cost of health care and pharmaceuticals. But again, I have no personal experience with Obamacare and could be a little bit wrong on this or a bigly wrong.
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Post by hokiejoe on Jul 19, 2022 10:52:49 GMT -7
Of course, if we just let Russia conquer Europe we would magically have universal healthcare. Have you met Republicans? Literally none of them want to provide healthcare to you. We got Obamacare only after it was stripped to the bone by Republicans and they have spent the ensuing 12 years trying to get rid of it. You may remember the John McCain vote that saved it and caused his party to melt down. Yes people like getting services that are socialist in nature, the problem is half of those people don't want taxpayers to pay for it. Republicans gave killing the postal service a pretty good shot and they have failed to expand Medicare in most Republican led states. I literally have no idea what you are talking about. Healthcare kind of sums up where 'merica is politically as a country. I may be a little wrong on this, or a whole bunch, so correct me where/if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obamacare originally what was proposed by the GOP, who were (theoretically) for it when it was their idea, but I guess once it got tagged "Obamacare" maybe they didn't want to give him a win and figured they couldn't spin it as having come up with it, so then the GOP decided they wanted to kill it? Obviously the GOP is all over the map on that, and I guess you could say the Dems are as well for pushing through what was originally GOP legislation which favored the private insurance industry. I guess politically it was a win for them in that they could claim success on something without having to give in to any kind of single payer plan, which probably wouldn't be welcomed by their faction of the big bucks corporate donor class. All these years later it seems that health care is still an issue and Obamacare sounds better in theory than practice - otherwise people wouldn't still be complaining about the cost of health care and pharmaceuticals. But again, I have no personal experience with Obamacare and could be a little bit wrong on this or a bigly wrong. I believe it was based on Romneycare in Massachusetts and yes once the Kenyan proposed it it was off the table for most if not all Republicans. Many of the benefits of Government provided healthcare have been stripped away and they will continue to be because everyone has their hand out from the pharmaceutical companies. But let's not pretend Republicans were for it previous to Obama, it was just Romney in his home state where he had a largely Democratic state.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jul 19, 2022 10:53:49 GMT -7
I think it's hard to say if Bernie could've won. Obviously the Dem establishment did what they had to keep him out of Hilary's way, and they kind of had their thumb on the scale for the '20 primary as well. Trump won votes from people who might've voted for Bernie, but weren't going to vote for Hilary no way, no how. People who identify less as Socialist, but more against the establishment, as represented by Hilary/Biden.
But I also think America is a center-right country and things that the average person in Scandinavia finds perfectly normal (state provided health care, education, etc.) makes people in the US either outright freaked or just gives them an uncomfortable feeling, even if only at a sub-conscious level. America has been trained to be anti-Communist/anti-Socialist for a lot longer than any of us have been around. That part of the national fabric is hard to shake off. Kind of like how a lot of people are about guns. It's like there's a part of what being an American is to not want to take the most compassionate path that benefits everyone and is even the least expensive - they want you to fucking earn it but busting your ass and fighting poverty in the process. Got a medical problem? Better buck up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps, even if you can't afford straps or even the boots.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jul 19, 2022 10:55:01 GMT -7
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Post by ashell on Jul 19, 2022 10:55:52 GMT -7
Thanks for that breh. I logged back in today to call them about this BS and they had fixed it....now its under $200. The simple fact remains my loan amount has not come down at all...I have only paid on interest all these years. Im filing under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program to try to get it wiped out. There's a number of steps..but Biden is the one that changed the rules so that all those years I paid on it qualify even if I wasnt under the correct loan type. Thanks for that, at least. The Public Service Loan Forgiveness is a good deal but also kind of not. Its a good trade where the public is getting good employees for a significant period of time and the employee is getting some loan forgiveness at the end of their term of service. But at the same time, its basically making the one with the loan to make only the minimum payment and not giving then any incentive to reduce their overall debt (in order to have the most forgiveness possible). The overall debt could come into play when seeking other loans, particularly mortgage. I guess at the end of the day its a beneficial program that could probably use a few tweaks. Maybe a tiered approach to the forgiveness or perhaps a payback program if you've been able to reduce your loan.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jul 19, 2022 10:56:51 GMT -7
Healthcare kind of sums up where 'merica is politically as a country. I may be a little wrong on this, or a whole bunch, so correct me where/if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obamacare originally what was proposed by the GOP, who were (theoretically) for it when it was their idea, but I guess once it got tagged "Obamacare" maybe they didn't want to give him a win and figured they couldn't spin it as having come up with it, so then the GOP decided they wanted to kill it? Obviously the GOP is all over the map on that, and I guess you could say the Dems are as well for pushing through what was originally GOP legislation which favored the private insurance industry. I guess politically it was a win for them in that they could claim success on something without having to give in to any kind of single payer plan, which probably wouldn't be welcomed by their faction of the big bucks corporate donor class. All these years later it seems that health care is still an issue and Obamacare sounds better in theory than practice - otherwise people wouldn't still be complaining about the cost of health care and pharmaceuticals. But again, I have no personal experience with Obamacare and could be a little bit wrong on this or a bigly wrong. I believe it was based on Romneycare in Massachusetts and yes once the Kenyan proposed it it was off the table for most if not all Republicans. Many of the benefits of Government provided healthcare have been stripped away and they will continue to be because everyone has their hand out from the pharmaceutical companies. But let's not pretend Republicans were for it previous to Obama, it was just Romney in his home state where he had a largely Democratic state. Ah yeah, now I remember. Romneycare. Makes more sense now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Post by EllisD on Jul 19, 2022 11:07:02 GMT -7
Healthcare kind of sums up where 'merica is politically as a country. I may be a little wrong on this, or a whole bunch, so correct me where/if I'm wrong, but wasn't Obamacare originally what was proposed by the GOP, who were (theoretically) for it when it was their idea, but I guess once it got tagged "Obamacare" maybe they didn't want to give him a win and figured they couldn't spin it as having come up with it, so then the GOP decided they wanted to kill it? Obviously the GOP is all over the map on that, and I guess you could say the Dems are as well for pushing through what was originally GOP legislation which favored the private insurance industry. I guess politically it was a win for them in that they could claim success on something without having to give in to any kind of single payer plan, which probably wouldn't be welcomed by their faction of the big bucks corporate donor class. All these years later it seems that health care is still an issue and Obamacare sounds better in theory than practice - otherwise people wouldn't still be complaining about the cost of health care and pharmaceuticals. But again, I have no personal experience with Obamacare and could be a little bit wrong on this or a bigly wrong. I believe it was based on Romneycare in Massachusetts and yes once the Kenyan proposed it it was off the table for most if not all Republicans. Many of the benefits of Government provided healthcare have been stripped away and they will continue to be because everyone has their hand out from the pharmaceutical companies. But let's not pretend Republicans were for it previous to Obama, it was just Romney in his home state where he had a largely Democratic state.Β Listening to the radio today I heard some big pharma ads that claimed reducing prescription drug prices will force the pharma industry to stop making new life saving drugs because "they won't be able to afford the research and development of new drugs". So write to your congressional representatives and tell them you want to pay as much as possible for your drugs...
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Post by Don Swifty on Jul 19, 2022 11:09:31 GMT -7
They could just use the money they're using now to pay lobbyists and pay off politicians.
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Post by Don Swifty on Jul 19, 2022 11:18:07 GMT -7
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Post by EllisD on Jul 19, 2022 11:18:59 GMT -7
They could just use the money they're using now to pay lobbyists and pay off politicians. You should at least thank them for over charging
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Post by hokiejoe on Jul 19, 2022 12:30:43 GMT -7
I believe it was based on Romneycare in Massachusetts and yes once the Kenyan proposed it it was off the table for most if not all Republicans. Many of the benefits of Government provided healthcare have been stripped away and they will continue to be because everyone has their hand out from the pharmaceutical companies. But let's not pretend Republicans were for it previous to Obama, it was just Romney in his home state where he had a largely Democratic state. Listening to the radio today I heard some big pharma ads that claimed reducing prescription drug prices will force the pharma industry to stop making new life saving drugs because "they won't be able to afford the research and development of new drugs". So write to your congressional representatives and tell them you want to pay as much as possible for your drugs... I see a commercial saying exactly this all the time and it makes me want to throw a brick through the tv.
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