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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 25, 2024 11:18:34 GMT -7
If this place is a dr00g band forum and people are suggesting we shouldn't discuss politics, why do we also discuss sports, stand up comedy, movies, tv shows, books, crazy NSFW shit we see online, shiny rocks, entertainers caught up in career ending sex scandals, food, video games, and any other non-dr00g band music topics? Like as suggested with politics, there are other online forums where that stuff can be discussed, no?
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 25, 2024 11:32:58 GMT -7
Bibi won't even consider a two-state solution? What's up with that? If he won't allow the Palestinians sovereignty what's his counter-proposal? Continued occupation by someone other than Israel after Gaza is completely leveled? Who, that he would find acceptable, would even want that responsibility? The US? The EU? A middle eastern nation? The Chinese? Which acceptable to Bibi country would want to take on that inevitable losing cluster fuck with no upside and all downside? The Israeli people need to think about giving Bibi the boot if they want to have any chance at a peaceful, long-term solution. I don't think that would guarantee success, but it would make at least more of a possibility than it is now. I'm also cool with keeping Hamas out of any possible solution as well. Time for some new, younger people on both sides to try and work something out that gives both sides a better chance at security and prosperity.
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 25, 2024 16:45:08 GMT -7
I support a Global Cease Fire. Guns and bombs and violence are gay! Not that thereโs anything wrong with that..
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Post by dirtyrice on Jan 25, 2024 16:50:35 GMT -7
It appears a change of leadership is desperately needed and that might mean Biden needs to not be the president here too.
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 3, 2024 6:13:16 GMT -7
Did I just see that the Palestinian death toll has surpassed 27,000??
Wow. That's a lot.
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 3, 2024 7:11:06 GMT -7
Don't use the "g word" to describe it though, or weirdo Zionists will say you're antisemitic.
Fuck Bibi and all of his cabinet, their graves will be pissed on.
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Post by spacemanspiff on Feb 3, 2024 11:56:54 GMT -7
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 3, 2024 12:05:29 GMT -7
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Post by dirtyrice on Feb 9, 2024 12:56:21 GMT -7
Netanyahu Is the worst leader of any country and should be forcibly removed. His revenge tactics are bullshit. He has no idea what heโs fucking doing except that he must keep doing it.
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Feb 12, 2024 19:54:59 GMT -7
Our own leaders met during the Super Bowl to pass more funding at the same time the "safe zone" is getting bombed in Gaza.
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Feb 13, 2024 6:24:25 GMT -7
This still a thing?
Thought the world or U.S. atleast had more shot to worry about
Ya know, like what Taylor Swift is gonna where to the Oscar's...
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 13, 2024 6:31:49 GMT -7
Our own leaders met during the Super Bowl to pass more funding at the same time the "safe zone" is getting bombed in Gaza. It's okay though, apparently he called Bibi a "heated word" in a private exchange with somebody. That'll show him!
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Post by Not your moms ๐ฎ on Feb 13, 2024 6:58:21 GMT -7
I'm ready for us to get out of all of this and Ukraine. There is nothing we can do and no amount of dollars we can throw at either that will bring it to an end. All we are doing is wasting resources and making enemies by being involved in property battles that have been going on since before we were even a country.
I'm all about humanitarian aid and assisting in helping with healthcare and food and such. But we need to quit paying the war machine.
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Post by higs on Feb 13, 2024 7:38:07 GMT -7
It is foolhardy to lump what is happening in Gaza together with Ukraine. If we let Putin do whatever he wants, we will inevitably be forced to choose between meeting our NATO commitments and abandoning our allies. It will cost us much less in loot and blood if we spend money defending Ukraine now. Abandoning our nato allies shouldn't even be a consideration, but here we are.
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Post by Not your moms ๐ฎ on Feb 13, 2024 7:49:38 GMT -7
It is foolhardy to lump what is happening in Gaza together with Ukraine. If we let Putin do whatever he wants, we will inevitably be forced to choose between meeting our NATO commitments and abandoning our allies. It will cost us much less in loot and blood if we spend money defending Ukraine now. Abandoning our nato allies shouldn't even be a consideration, but here we are. I mostly agree. 2 years ago I all the way agreed. Now there are 400,000 dead Ukrainians and still no end in sight. Several trillion dollars. And slowly moving closer to it spreading or even ending up sending American troops. I don't see this getting better with more money or weapons. Just more dead. Putin is still doing what he wants. I'm not saying either way is good or correct. I am just at the point where it seems like we are contributing to making it worse. And the Gaza thing is not ours to be involved. Just another powder keg waiting to blow. I'd way rather see the money go towards stopping fentenal or some problem that we have a chance in improving.
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Post by higs on Feb 13, 2024 9:54:30 GMT -7
It is foolhardy to lump what is happening in Gaza together with Ukraine. If we let Putin do whatever he wants, we will inevitably be forced to choose between meeting our NATO commitments and abandoning our allies. It will cost us much less in loot and blood if we spend money defending Ukraine now. Abandoning our nato allies shouldn't even be a consideration, but here we are. I mostly agree. 2 years ago I all the way agreed. Now there are 400,000 dead Ukrainians and still no end in sight. Several trillion dollars. And slowly moving closer to it spreading or even ending up sending American troops. I don't see this getting better with more money or weapons. Just more dead. Putin is still doing what he wants. I'm not saying either way is good or correct. I am just at the point where it seems like we are contributing to making it worse. And the Gaza thing is not ours to be involved. Just another powder keg waiting to blow. I'd way rather see the money go towards stopping fentenal or some problem that we have a chance in improving. I'd love to see an end to our involvement in armed conflicts and conflicts in general. Fentenal and the impact it's having on our communities should be given way more attention that it gets.
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Post by dbg465285 on Feb 13, 2024 11:39:46 GMT -7
If we dont do war we dont get sammiches. We are a lunch based economy unfortunately
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 13, 2024 12:08:07 GMT -7
There are advantages to living in non-wealthy countries with no real global power or influence beyond having a kick ass national soccer team. These kind of 'what should we do about...' questions just aren't part of the daily dialogue. When there's nothing that people can really do, any kind of conversation about Ukraine/Gaza/etc. at most is hypothetical so there's less emotional involvement in any discussions on these issues and ultimately less to divide people over.
As an American asshole with an opinion I can see the merits of ending tax payer funding of the military industrial complex which furthers violence all over the world but also the idea that if you don't support Ukraine now to deal with asshole Putin aggression you increase the likelihood that you'll pay a higher price (in both $ and blood) down the line when a victorious and emboldened Putin moves on to his next target and you'd be legally bound to fight him directly.
I'd leave Israel/Palestine problem to be resolved by those in the region. Since Palestine would have more regional countries advocating for them I wouldn't mind seeing the US either participating in a non-military solution or even just sitting on the sidelines, watching to make sure that Israel doesn't get fucked out of existence. I'd also predicate any continuing aid to Israel on their ending all occupations and their policy of expansion by using civilians as settlers. All easier said than done and the US has yet been able to negotiate any kind of solution; that region has a long history of being fucky and I don't see that changing since there's so much ossified hatred.
What I'd really like to see is the US become energy independent so they wouldn't have to stick their nose in all over the Middle East and have such a large global military presence.
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Post by danimal on Feb 13, 2024 13:46:19 GMT -7
There are a lot of opinions/statements in here that illustrate a complete lack of understanding about how strategic interests and alliances work.
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Post by Not your moms ๐ฎ on Feb 13, 2024 14:05:49 GMT -7
There are a lot of opinions/statements in here that illustrate a complete lack of understanding about how strategic interests and alliances work. I know how alliances work. I also think throwing 400,000 Ukrainian body's in front of Russia is insane. And not going to work. In my opinion we could have eliminated Putin himself and strategically saved most of those lives and a shit ton of money. And 99% chance have a better outcome than we do now. The only alliance I see working is the one with the people building weapons.
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