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Post by hokiejoe on Oct 25, 2023 6:11:28 GMT -7
Even if this Johnson guy gets the votes today, we are likely to be right back to where we were with McCarthy. Unless the entire Republican party signs off on the madness that Gaetz, MTG, Boobert, Roy, Gosar, et al demand then we are still at a deadlock. McCarthy lost his job because he "gave Democrats a win" by not defaulting on the debt ceiling. These people want the Gov't to shut down.
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Oct 25, 2023 6:20:35 GMT -7
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Post by higs on Oct 25, 2023 6:20:35 GMT -7
Oh, absolutely. It's absurd.
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Oct 25, 2023 7:22:59 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Oct 25, 2023 7:22:59 GMT -7
Ain't nothin' wrong with idealism.
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 5, 2023 16:45:55 GMT -7
This doesn't sound promising if you're for Biden or anti-Trump. Still a year out and anything can happen. Trump gets convicted, one or both have a major health issue, new global crisis or the ones existing ramp up, etc. Both these candidates combine to create what I think might be the least inspiring election option in my lifetime. www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/biden-polls-battleground-state-00125448 |
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Nov 6, 2023 6:56:44 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Nov 6, 2023 6:56:44 GMT -7
This upcoming democratic primary is the most important vote of our lifetimes.
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Nov 6, 2023 7:59:49 GMT -7
Sucks that we will again be choosing between stupid Democrats and evil Republicans. Fuck them both. But fuck Republicans more.
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Nov 6, 2023 9:15:42 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2023 9:15:42 GMT -7
We're in the same boat right now with the election in just under 2 weeks. On the one side we have the crazy outsider, Trump loving, ultra right wing fascist with crazy bad hair who wants to abolish newly obtained rights to abortions, is anti-LGBTQ, says climate change is a "socialist lie," and basically wants to tear down the system, and on the other the current minister of finance of the ruling socialist/communist (take your pick, though this place ain't "socialist" like GOP claims Biden/Dems are, it's socialist for realzies) establishment Peronista ("Don't cry for me, Argentina") party who is presiding over an economy with 140% annual inflation that people are understandably sick and tired of. Of course it's more complicated than that and the other side of the same coin opposition party fucked shit up when they had the power, so plenty of blame to go around.
So vote for the party/person responsible for the current shitty situation, or the outsider against the political class who wants to tear it all down, but also happens to be a right wing loon?
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Nov 6, 2023 9:17:32 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2023 9:17:32 GMT -7
This upcoming democratic primary is the most important vote of our lifetimes.  |
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Post by ashell on Nov 6, 2023 10:08:14 GMT -7
We're in the same boat right now with the election in just under 2 weeks. On the one side we have the crazy outsider, Trump loving, ultra right wing fascist with crazy bad hair who wants to abolish newly obtained rights to abortions, is anti-LGBTQ, says climate change is a "socialist lie," and basically wants to tear down the system, and on the other the current minister of finance of the ruling socialist/communist (take your pick, though this place ain't "socialist" like GOP claims Biden/Dems are, it's socialist for realzies) establishment Peronista ("Don't cry for me, Argentina") party who is presiding over an economy with 140% annual inflation that people are understandably sick and tired of. Of course it's more complicated than that and the other side of the same coin opposition party fucked shit up when they had the power, so plenty of blame to go around. So vote for the party/person responsible for the current shitty situation, or the outsider against the political class who wants to tear it all down, but also happens to be a right wing loon? John Oliver did a segment on this a few weeks ago. Based on his representation of the situation, its going to be interesting and certainly not an easy choice for people who may not be overly political or have a good understanding. At least the the crazy outsider, Trump loving, ultra right wing fascist with crazy bad hair has his dogs giving him advice. |
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Nov 6, 2023 10:58:04 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Nov 6, 2023 10:58:04 GMT -7
Didn't "the polls" have Hillary crushing Trump in 2016?
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Nov 6, 2023 11:03:14 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Nov 6, 2023 11:03:14 GMT -7
They did not. They had Hillary winning, but the loss was within the margin of error.
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Post by bussit on Nov 6, 2023 11:05:33 GMT -7
On the other hand, all the polling said that Bernie would kick trump's ass but all the mainstream news laughed at it like it wasn't real. They did however spend a lot of time demonizing bernie
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Nov 6, 2023 11:07:52 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Nov 6, 2023 11:07:52 GMT -7
Now the plan is to completely ignore Marianne Williamson and anyone else not named Joe Biden.
We might be headed for something terrible
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Nov 6, 2023 11:33:37 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2023 11:33:37 GMT -7
We're in the same boat right now with the election in just under 2 weeks. On the one side we have the crazy outsider, Trump loving, ultra right wing fascist with crazy bad hair who wants to abolish newly obtained rights to abortions, is anti-LGBTQ, says climate change is a "socialist lie," and basically wants to tear down the system, and on the other the current minister of finance of the ruling socialist/communist (take your pick, though this place ain't "socialist" like GOP claims Biden/Dems are, it's socialist for realzies) establishment Peronista ("Don't cry for me, Argentina") party who is presiding over an economy with 140% annual inflation that people are understandably sick and tired of. Of course it's more complicated than that and the other side of the same coin opposition party fucked shit up when they had the power, so plenty of blame to go around. So vote for the party/person responsible for the current shitty situation, or the outsider against the political class who wants to tear it all down, but also happens to be a right wing loon? John Oliver did a segment on this a few weeks ago. Based on his representation of the situation, its going to be interesting and certainly not an easy choice for people who may not be overly political or have a good understanding. At least the the crazy outsider, Trump loving, ultra right wing fascist with crazy bad hair has his dogs giving him advice. Thanks for pointing that out, ashell. I like Last Week Tonight and how Oliver devotes the entire show to a single issue. I looked on the YouTube channel but couldn't find this episode. Any idea of when it was on or some kind of link? I'm at the point where I'm burned out on the whole depressing shit sandwich/giant douche reality and could use a comedic take on the situation to go help with my newly adopted "No matter which asshole wins I'll figure it out and get by" attitude. Sometimes I think I'm just too damn fragile because I really don't see a lot of people stressing this like they would in the states with "If x wins, there won't be a country anymore" hyperbole. So I'm trying to adopt that and not get my panties in a bunch. There's a phrase here (which I forget) that basically says that for every new law the govt. makes today, by tomorrow the people will have a work-around-it solution. People here are used to dealing with hardship and assholes so I think they're less concerned. Plus they have more important things to focus on like futball and asado. |
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Nov 6, 2023 11:50:32 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2023 11:50:32 GMT -7
Now the plan is to completely ignore Marianne Williamson and anyone else not named Joe Biden. We might be headed for something terrible I think the Dems are so institutionalized that anyone who could actually beat Biden in a primary won't, because running against him probably gives them more internal problems with the party than sitting on the bench waiting their turn, watching Biden maybe lose, and running in '28 would. I also think they're so institutionalized that they won't even consider outsiders like Williamson, or Cornell West. They want long term members who've paid their dues, worked their way up, and have helped to get other party members elected. The whole "she earned it" thing with Clinton in '16 after getting passed up in '08 so they made the situation more difficult for Bernie to succeed. I'm pretty sure the Dem party at this point prefers keeping things center-left/right (depending on one's opinion of them) and has no interest in giving serious voice to the more progressive members of the party. The GOP were like that until they weren't. But even if they didn't support Trump early in the primaries, they at least let him play in their game, probably figuring the party faithful wouldn't take him seriously and his vocal supporters wouldn't actually bother voting for him. And once it was clear Trump was more than just a flash in the pan they lined up right behind him. I think the Dems are far less willing to even let anyone else play on their field with their ball. Maybe that'll bite 'em in the ass one day, but it's probably more likely that they know their base, who they need to win and can't afford to alienate, and what kind of candidates that base is willing to accept. It ain't for nothing that S. Carolina got bumped up in importance this election cycle. |
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Post by ashell on Nov 6, 2023 13:15:39 GMT -7
John Oliver did a segment on this a few weeks ago. Based on his representation of the situation, its going to be interesting and certainly not an easy choice for people who may not be overly political or have a good understanding. At least the the crazy outsider, Trump loving, ultra right wing fascist with crazy bad hair has his dogs giving him advice. Thanks for pointing that out, ashell. I like Last Week Tonight and how Oliver devotes the entire show to a single issue. I looked on the YouTube channel but couldn't find this episode. Any idea of when it was on or some kind of link? I'm at the point where I'm burned out on the whole depressing shit sandwich/giant douche reality and could use a comedic take on the situation to go help with my newly adopted "No matter which asshole wins I'll figure it out and get by" attitude. Sometimes I think I'm just too damn fragile because I really don't see a lot of people stressing this like they would in the states with "If x wins, there won't be a country anymore" hyperbole. So I'm trying to adopt that and not get my panties in a bunch. There's a phrase here (which I forget) that basically says that for every new law the govt. makes today, by tomorrow the people will have a work-around-it solution. People here are used to dealing with hardship and assholes so I think they're less concerned. Plus they have more important things to focus on like futball and asado. Looks like the episode was October 29th (or maybe the week before) Maybe these will work www.thedailybeast.com/john-oliver-takes-down-worlds-weirdest-wannabe-president-javier-mileimeaww.com/who-is-javier-milei-john-oliver-rips-into-argentinas-eccentric-presidential-candidate-who-defies-economics-and-convention?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Nov 6, 2023 13:33:46 GMT -7
Harambe
With the first ever write in win
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Post by treetophigh on Nov 6, 2023 14:15:36 GMT -7
Get ready for Trump as president. I don't see any realistic scenarios that keep him from winning unless its some legal thing. Thing is, I doubt things will improve for anyone during his presidency and anticipate him making an ass of himself so maybe it will just be a long process of him finally falling out of favor with the cult.
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Post by bussit on Nov 6, 2023 14:24:11 GMT -7
Now the plan is to completely ignore Marianne Williamson and anyone else not named Joe Biden. We might be headed for something terrible I think the Dems are so institutionalized that anyone who could actually beat Biden in a primary won't, because running against him probably gives them more internal problems with the party than sitting on the bench waiting their turn, watching Biden maybe lose, and running in '28 would. I also think they're so institutionalized that they won't even consider outsiders like Williamson, or Cornell West. They want long term members who've paid their dues, worked their way up, and have helped to get other party members elected. The whole "she earned it" thing with Clinton in '16 after getting passed up in '08 so they made the situation more difficult for Bernie to succeed. I'm pretty sure the Dem party at this point prefers keeping things center-left/right (depending on one's opinion of them) and has no interest in giving serious voice to the more progressive members of the party. The GOP were like that until they weren't. But even if they didn't support Trump early in the primaries, they at least let him play in their game, probably figuring the party faithful wouldn't take him seriously and his vocal supporters wouldn't actually bother voting for him. And once it was clear Trump was more than just a flash in the pan they lined up right behind him. I think the Dems are far less willing to even let anyone else play on their field with their ball. Maybe that'll bite 'em in the ass one day, but it's probably more likely that they know their base, who they need to win and can't afford to alienate, and what kind of candidates that base is willing to accept. It ain't for nothing that S. Carolina got bumped up in importance this election cycle. The democratic establishment would rather have Trump than Maraianne Williamson or Bernie. Let that sink in |
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Nov 6, 2023 14:43:03 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2023 14:43:03 GMT -7
I think the Dems are so institutionalized that anyone who could actually beat Biden in a primary won't, because running against him probably gives them more internal problems with the party than sitting on the bench waiting their turn, watching Biden maybe lose, and running in '28 would. I also think they're so institutionalized that they won't even consider outsiders like Williamson, or Cornell West. They want long term members who've paid their dues, worked their way up, and have helped to get other party members elected. The whole "she earned it" thing with Clinton in '16 after getting passed up in '08 so they made the situation more difficult for Bernie to succeed. I'm pretty sure the Dem party at this point prefers keeping things center-left/right (depending on one's opinion of them) and has no interest in giving serious voice to the more progressive members of the party. The GOP were like that until they weren't. But even if they didn't support Trump early in the primaries, they at least let him play in their game, probably figuring the party faithful wouldn't take him seriously and his vocal supporters wouldn't actually bother voting for him. And once it was clear Trump was more than just a flash in the pan they lined up right behind him. I think the Dems are far less willing to even let anyone else play on their field with their ball. Maybe that'll bite 'em in the ass one day, but it's probably more likely that they know their base, who they need to win and can't afford to alienate, and what kind of candidates that base is willing to accept. It ain't for nothing that S. Carolina got bumped up in importance this election cycle. The democratic establishment would rather have Trump than Maraianne Williamson or Bernie. Let that sink in Makes me wonder if during our lifetime we'll see the demise of both major parties. The GOP already has a head start in that it's now fundamentally different than what it used to be and with younger conservatives weened on Trump along with MAGA nation I don't really know if it'll ever go back to what it was. Whether they keep the GOP banner or call it something else is someone else's guess. If you're a conservative under 40 does GOP icon Reagan have any significance at all? Younger, more progressively minded people don't really seem to have any love or desire for affiliation with the Dem party as it currently exists - and who can blame them? Where the conservatives have the power of youth behind them and psychologically prevalent to go along with a strong leader, young progressives see the Dems as a bunch of dinosaurs who don't want to give up the reins of power within the party - so why bother joining or even supporting? Trump gives his base positive reinforcing red meat 'we hate the same people!' while Biden gives his potential base more fear based negatives ('Vote for me because the other guy is worse'). The politics of fear can only take you so far. |
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