2024

So much for being sober. I'm getting some k and razors and calling off work tonight.

Does this conversation have you thinking about shaving that beard and buying some k?

idk, would you like to hear my opinion?

I am going to check in on Cenk tho. He must be on fire

No, my beard is sexy

Those things don't appear to be true when companies are taking more than ever while giving less than ever.

Repeating the same failed talking points doesn't make them true.

Bro, women's volleyball players wear spandex shorts and it's AMAZING. Thankfully, dudes do not

She would have been better off just saying. She was going to be tough on hate crimes and never even mention gender or trans anything. It seems that the concept of treating everyone nicely would cover that and not alienate people who are not so bright.

variety.com/2024/film/news/adam-mckay-time-to-abandon-democratic-party-trump-victory-1236202362/

Yup

I'm going to wait for the dust to settle and the professional political/media autopsies with all the nerdy stats to come out before drawing any final conclusion on why, exactly, the Dems lost. Until then, we're all just a bunch of fuckin' amateurs with amateur opinions - not that there's anything wrong with that. As bear says, free feel to vent.

But unless and until I read learned opinions saying it's the #1 reason, I'm not buying that it was lack of appeal to the youth vote that cost Harris the election and she would've won if only she offered to wipe out more student loan debt than the Biden administration already has. I'm open minded enough to accept it as the primary cause if that's what the data shows.

Plenty (perhaps all) of winning Presidential candidates have won despite not appealing to the youth vote at all. Are there any winning Presidential candidates in history where it can be shown (with receipts as opposed to only personal opinions) that what put them over the top was their focus on what appeals to the youth?

Nixon in '68 and '72 won without any sizeable youth support, during a time when the youth were pissed off (at him) and active, and where his law and order campaign was blatantly anti-youth. I remember Carter winning right after Watergate because he wasn't a Washington politician, not because he made the youth vote his #1 focus. Reagan and Bush didn't give a shit about young people's issues. I was in my mid-20's when Clinton ran and he didn't focus on the youth, more on people in his generation - "it's the economy, stupid." I don't recall any candidates in my lifetime who made youth issues their #1 campaign priority. Their campaigns were smart enough to know where the votes were and which blocks actually vote vs. those who might complain but don't vote.

This time was it because the angst-stage youth didn't show up (as usual)? Or was it some mix of other factors? Black and/or Latino dudes having culturally based issues on the idea of a (black?) woman being President? The general shift in Latino and black male support for Trump? Are stats going to suggest it was race and/or sex related and not enough of white America voted for her? Pro-choice GOP women who voted for reproductive rights in their state which gave them the opportunity to still vote for Trump? Harris couldn't overcome the low approval ratings of the Biden administration, inflation/prices, immigration etc.? Voters upset that they didn't have a say in choosing a candidate and were forced into accepting (or not) Harris who they didn't like as a candidate in '20? Who showed up and who stayed home? Did the Harris campaign research dept. figure that pressing too hard on eliminating student debt for everyone and no matter the amount or circumstances would've turned off more people who historically do vote, paid off their own student loans without govt. wiping it out, and would be resentful that Harris kowtowed to those who voluntarily signed the contract but now don't want to hold up their end of the contract when it comes to them paying back? Maybe that voting block who actually does vote are more concerned with other issues.

Youth acting like their issues are more important than the issues of anyone who's older than them, or that older people don't understand what it's like to be young, or who constantly whine about having to pay back loans they voluntarily signed on for to people who paid back their own debt and have never imagined the govt. would ever offer to wipe out their student loan debt have not yet reached that certain level of maturity or realization that the world doesn't revolve around their needs like when they were children. It's like telling a combat vet who did three tours in hell, 'I was 18 when I joined the army and a couple of years later they didn't offer to let me off the hook from the contract I signed when things got tough and I had to go to war - it's not fair!' Maturity wise, they're closer to angst ridden teenagers than adults. We've all been there. It's a stage of life. Most grow out of it. Some later than others.