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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Nov 6, 2024 14:16:07 GMT -7
There are not enough genuinely progressive liberal thinkers to ever win an election based on numbers. The best bet. And I do not like it myself but it is probably the closest we ever will get and it is still a long shot. Is a break away party consisting of mostly moderate thinkers pulled from both parties that prioritize toned down liberal ideas while still appealing to the needs of average voters. Jobs, healthcare, environment, education and standing up against hatred and cooperate greed and toxic nationalism. While remaining patriotic and strong enough to pull from both sides. Not that I see it as a likely option. But I do feel it's safe to say anyone that I totally support would appear far to radical to ever have a real chance. Can't know if you don't try at all to appeal to them. There were enough Democrats to win in 2020, 2012, 2008... Covid didn't kill them exclusively. They went away because the DNC refused to progress at all and forced the rotting corpse of Joe Biden on to the ticket. I thought we at least agreed that democrats were a failure. As long as they are owned by the billionaires and media I don't see them improving. They will just put a new spin on their lies and keep feeding us garbage. |
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Nov 6, 2024 14:16:32 GMT -7
Maine voted to cap super PAC donations at $5k. It passed with 74% of the votes Hell yeah! |
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Post by higs on Nov 6, 2024 14:18:18 GMT -7
Trump got 2mil less than he did in 2020. Harris got 4mil less than Biden. Overall turnout being down tells me that people are sick and fucking tired of the 2, going on 4, year campaign/election cycles. We here have the luxury of sitting back and looking at the optics and criticize and debate. The average voter that we've never met is just trying to put food on the table and feed their kids. That's how someone like Trump gets back into power.
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Post by EddieBlake on Nov 6, 2024 14:21:56 GMT -7
Can't know if you don't try at all to appeal to them. There were enough Democrats to win in 2020, 2012, 2008... Covid didn't kill them exclusively. They went away because the DNC refused to progress at all and forced the rotting corpse of Joe Biden on to the ticket. I thought we at least agreed that democrats were a failure. As long as they are owned by the billionaires and media I don't see them improving. They will just put a new spin on their lies and keep feeding us garbage. They are but they won plenty before Biden shit the bed so publicly. They refuse to give up power and let new ideas in so the party is dying a slow, brutal death. They're not going to improve because lots of folks seem to believe they were doing just fine before and refuse to hear any criticism of them. We've got no chance if people refuse to see the writing on the wall. |
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Nov 6, 2024 14:27:56 GMT -7
I thought we at least agreed that democrats were a failure. As long as they are owned by the billionaires and media I don't see them improving. They will just put a new spin on their lies and keep feeding us garbage. They are but they won plenty before Biden shit the bed so publicly. They refuse to give up power and let new ideas in so the party is dying a slow, brutal death. They're not going to improve because lots of folks seem to believe they were doing just fine before and refuse to hear any criticism of them. We've got no chance if people refuse to see the writing on the wall. The writing says they are not unified. Barely even a party. 95% of them only voted against Trump. Not for any issues. Myself included. I don't like any of them. I just like the republicans less. But then I talk to people from both sides. Most of us agree on the results we seek. Just not which crooked party can get us there. |
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2024 14:31:35 GMT -7
The dems got creamed last night because they couldn't get enough of the American population to come out and vote for them to outvote the Republicans. Slice that any way you want. Imo, The Republicans are unified in their shared message of hate and power. The democratic party as it exists today doesn't really have a base like that. They have shown how they govern and it just comes off like republican lite. There is just nothing to rally behind there for normal folks like me, probably most of us here. And I want to to dispell the idea that every American falls into either the republican or democratic side. There are lots of sides and personally the democratic party on the whole left me politically years ago. They have moved too far to my right and no longer represent me in a meaningful way. The Harris campaign did a shit job of appealing to those of us that are left of the dems. There is no 2 ways about that. There are sooo many people that would flood the poles to vote for a candidate that inspired a sense of hope for turning this country around but there wasn't much if any of that. Whatever Harris' promise for the future was, however you feel about it personally, it wasn't enough, not even close. I think you and I are on the same page on many different issues, but one thing I disagree with you on is this (and it could just be semantics): "...normal folks like me, probably most of us here." Without knowing you other than on this forum, I'm guessing you're more like me, and probably most of us here, which is anything but normal. We may be "normal" when we're huffing balloons in a parking lot or at a dr00g band music festival boofing ten strips, but compared to the rest of 'merica - we be far from "normal." We're the outliers, not the majority. We're not even normal compared to the normal Democrat. If progressives had the numbers there'd be plenty of examples of progressive Presidents and other politicians we could point to - but in reality we could count all the national level progressive politicians in office on one, maybe two hands. In Scandinavian socialist democracies we'd be normal, but not in 'merica. What's considered normal in those countries is considered extremely radical in 'mercia by those who actually are "normal" - because their ideals reflect the past and present norms of the country. Thank goddess I'm not normal. I wouldn't be here if I thought any of you nitrous boofing jamband freaks were. |
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2024 14:34:04 GMT -7
After saying I'll wait for the autopsies I'm going to go ahead and generally speculate without ignorantly (I don't mean that in the insulting use of the word, but as a way of saying 'I don't know') pointing the finger at a particular voting block or campaign strategy. Had Biden's ego allowed him to bow out instead of announcing he was running for a second term the Dems could've had a better candidate who wasn't the #2 or so directly attached to the unpopular Biden administration. A candidate who would've been chosen by the people and would've had far more time than a couple of months to build a campaign. But instead Joe defiantly held on and the Dems couldn't beat an unpopular candidate who was an unpopular recent President with far too much baggage to list. Who knows? Maybe even the perfect Dem candidate would've lost as well, America being 'merica and all.
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Nov 6, 2024 14:34:19 GMT -7
The dems got creamed last night because they couldn't get enough of the American population to come out and vote for them to outvote the Republicans. Slice that any way you want. Imo, The Republicans are unified in their shared message of hate and power. The democratic party as it exists today doesn't really have a base like that. They have shown how they govern and it just comes off like republican lite. There is just nothing to rally behind there for normal folks like me, probably most of us here. And I want to to dispell the idea that every American falls into either the republican or democratic side. There are lots of sides and personally the democratic party on the whole left me politically years ago. They have moved too far to my right and no longer represent me in a meaningful way. The Harris campaign did a shit job of appealing to those of us that are left of the dems. There is no 2 ways about that. There are sooo many people that would flood the poles to vote for a candidate that inspired a sense of hope for turning this country around but there wasn't much if any of that. Whatever Harris' promise for the future was, however you feel about it personally, it wasn't enough, not even close. I think you and I are on the same page on many different issues, but one thing I disagree with you on is this (and it could just be semantics): "...normal folks like me, probably most of us here." Without knowing you other than on this forum, I'm guessing you're more like me, and probably most of us here, which is anything but normal. We may be "normal" when we're huffing balloons in a parking lot or at a dr00g band music festival boofing ten strips, but compared to the rest of 'merica - we be far from "normal." We're the outliers, not the majority. We're not even normal compared to the normal Democrat. If progressives had the numbers there'd be plenty of examples of progressive Presidents and other politicians we could point to - but in reality we could count all the national level progressive politicians in office on one, maybe two hands. In Scandinavian socialist democracies we'd be normal, but not in 'merica. What's considered normal in those countries is considered extremely radical in 'mercia by those who actually are "normal" - because their ideals reflect the past and present norms of the country. Thank goddess I'm not normal. I wouldn't be here if I thought any of you nitrous boofing jamband freaks were. Why I love you freaks |
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Nov 6, 2024 14:59:43 GMT -7
Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2024 14:59:43 GMT -7
There are not enough genuinely progressive liberal thinkers to ever win an election based on numbers. The best bet. And I do not like it myself but it is probably the closest we ever will get and it is still a long shot. Is a break away party consisting of mostly moderate thinkers pulled from both parties that prioritize toned down liberal ideas while still appealing to the needs of average voters. Jobs, healthcare, environment, education and standing up against hatred and cooperate greed and toxic nationalism. While remaining patriotic and strong enough to pull from both sides. Not that I see it as a likely option. But I do feel it's safe to say anyone that I totally support would appear far to radical to ever have a real chance. Can't know if you don't try at all to appeal to them. There were enough Democrats to win in 2020, 2012, 2008... Covid didn't kill them exclusively. They went away because the DNC refused to progress at all and forced the rotting corpse of Joe Biden on to the ticket. They have tried. It's just that (with perhaps the exception of Carter) they've failed for the last 52 years running any type of progressive. The DNC has progressed (or changed) a lot in my lifetime. They used to run progressive candidates. McGovern in '72 got his ass completely handed to him, winning only Mass and D.C.. Carter was somewhat progressive. Dukakis more so than Harris. So they actually have tried to appeal to them. It's just that they failed because as shown in past elections the majority of Americans aren't interested in buying what they're selling. There is no silent majority of progressive liberals in 'merica. If there were, the DNC would have long ago discovered them and crafted their message to appeal to them. The proof is in historical election results. There is no progressive equivalent to MAGA. Progressives (not Dems) are vastly outnumbered. The DNC got tired of losing and progressed (or regressed) to Clinton and his corporate friendly "Third Way." They never looked back. Why? Because they'd rather win with Republican Lite moderates than continue losing with more liberal/progressive candidates. Why do they win more often now than they did then? Because there are far more voters who like corporate friendly Republican Lite than there are voters who would vote for or consider themselves to be progressives/liberals. That's how you know if (in the eyes of the DNC) there's enough support to run an actual progressive. |
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Nov 6, 2024 15:16:38 GMT -7
As shown by yesterday
America wants a king
Most of them would vote for slavery and incest if on the ballot
The king allows the masses to have a singular focus to praise and to blame
A minuscule part of me thinks, if the next year's are a straight cluster fuck, that these sheep will turn on the Shephard
A way more obtuse part of me thinks, they will just continue to follow him into Slaughter
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2024 15:30:20 GMT -7
As shown by yesterday America wants a king Most of them would vote for slavery and incest if on the ballot The king allows the masses to have a singular focus to praise and to blame A minuscule part of me thinks, if the next year's are a straight cluster fuck, that these sheep will turn on the Shephard A way more obtuse part of me thinks, they will just continue to follow him into Slaughter So bad, they're willing to settle for King Felonious - Bankrupter of Businesses, Master of Bleach Injections, Grifter Extraordinaire, Emperor sin Ropa, etc.  |
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Post by SolarGarlic 🧀 on Nov 6, 2024 15:40:30 GMT -7
Most of these maga morons are just happy to be part of a club because without it they’d be nothing.
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Post by Lakai on Nov 6, 2024 17:02:01 GMT -7
such a disappointing result, I didn't know who was going win but really thought it would be a lot closer. It's just so disheartening, I feel like people have wild expectations of the government regarding the economy. I mean, Biden objectively inherited a completely fucked economy and if you look on a global scale the US bounced back better and faster than any other nation, beyond expectations. Granted its still tough out there for people but it could have been so much worse and has slowly gotten better and better consistently. The Dems just couldn't figure out how to market that for some reason and really should have been way tougher on companies raking in massive profits while consistently raising prices and laying people off. Now we're back in same old tired cycle of tax-cuts, debt, people get fed up, party switch, forever and ever, not to mention whatever other insane policy shit this new administration dredges up project 2025.
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Post by Don Swifty on Nov 6, 2024 18:22:23 GMT -7
Had a brief conversation with one of my brothers in-law. The one who admires Elon Musk, doesn't care about what he allows to be posted on Twitter or his fascist tendencies and support. He thinks he's a genius and has no problems with how he runs his businesses, treats his employees, etc.. He once told me he doesn't care about Trump or what he does, implying it doesn't affect him.
I told him earlier today that at the very least he should think about and make preparations for potential tariffs that Trump would like to place on the goods he exports to stores in the US and that even if he himself doesn't pay it, the tariff cost will ultimately be passed on to the final consumer who may wind up paying double than what they are now if Trump is serious (?) and gets his way with the Senate and House likely to support him. He's smart enough to understand that even if he's not the one to pay the tariff, any kind of tariff will lower demand for his products and ultimately have a negative impact on his business. By the end of the conversation he looked like he suddenly started caring about Trump and what he does.
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Post by salmon401 on Nov 6, 2024 18:55:13 GMT -7
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Post by salmon401 on Nov 6, 2024 18:57:46 GMT -7
I like how you turned “nitrous boofing jamband freaks” into a compliment.
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Nov 6, 2024 19:25:00 GMT -7
I like how you turned “nitrous boofing jamband freaks” into a compliment. It's not difficult. Earlier I was insulted for being able to support myself while acting like a child and enjoying acid and bikes. We all have are own versions of what it means to be successful. |
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Post by senatooorofspace on Nov 6, 2024 19:29:49 GMT -7
Yar, mateys. All aboard the ship of fools. |
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Post by salmon401 on Nov 6, 2024 19:32:09 GMT -7
I like how you turned “nitrous boofing jamband freaks” into a compliment. It's not difficult. Earlier I was insulted for being able to support myself while acting like a child and enjoying acid and bikes. We all have are own versions of what it means to be successful. That’s a good version. I’m insulted that someone tried to insult you in such a manner. |
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Post by bussit on Nov 6, 2024 19:32:17 GMT -7
I like how you turned “nitrous boofing jamband freaks” into a compliment. It's not difficult. Earlier I was insulted for being able to support myself while acting like a child and enjoying acid and bikes. We all have are own versions of what it means to be successful. If enjoying acid and bikes is cool, I'm Miles Davis |
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