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Post by waldowally on Jan 15, 2020 11:02:18 GMT -7
I will forever be super fucking salty about this. I hope Ben realizes he basically killed Jeff fucker. why do you say this..? I know a lot about what happened when they broke up via 1st and 2nd hand conversations. I'm at a work meeting all day but I'll post later.
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 15, 2020 11:32:11 GMT -7
Please do
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Post by goodtimes on Jan 15, 2020 11:38:13 GMT -7
I will forever be super fucking salty about this. I hope Ben realizes he basically killed Jeff fucker. I have no horse in this race nor do I agree or disagree but that’s a heavy statement. I was thinking the same thing. People fight and break up, but ben didn't kill him. Tried to ruin his life? Maybe... Let's hear the deetz
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Post by goodtimes on Jan 15, 2020 11:45:08 GMT -7
I skipped the show last night.
Tuesday and snowstorm and 20 bucks. But mostly I feel a little conflicted supporting this band. Going to see them play songs they wrote with jeff then booted him and now hes gone.
I'm not going for nostalgia after that
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Post by hokiejoe on Jan 15, 2020 11:45:38 GMT -7
I clearly didn't pay that much attention when this went down. I thought Austin wanted a bigger take than a 1/4 split while he was in YMSB and they told him to pound sand and he quit. I'm clearly missing some details.
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Post by ashell on Jan 15, 2020 11:47:40 GMT -7
I am with the looking forward to deetz team. lots of things were floating around so it be good to hear wally's perspective
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Post by badgerboy on Jan 15, 2020 17:15:16 GMT -7
..... still waiting....
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Post by Don Swifty on Jan 15, 2020 18:19:33 GMT -7
Facts don't stain the furniture
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:35:26 GMT -7
so here is the deal as I gathered. I met/spoke with jeff personally about 10 times. 4 times after breakup. he knew who I was not going to pretend to be friends or anything. phish strategically (lol) broke up the year I graduated high school and being a wook i went and saw 75ish ymsb shows from 2003-2013. saw a fuck ton of cornmeal too but thats another story. jeff partied and was dark but fine for a long time. Ben eventually got sober. wanted more control of the band (which jeff formed with dave originally) blamed Jeff for causing him so much stress that he "had" to be on xanax. typical born again 12 step bullshit. eventually that all started to fall apart. Ben's after death statement when he talked about how they split amicably... yeah... from jeff first hand "I learned I was kicked out of the band when I showed up at the practice space and the locks were changed". fuck you Ben already. they had an agreement via the contracts with the labels that Jeff got his OG songs the rest were co written so they agreed to all not play them not him or them. Jeff barely did anything in music for about 2 years.. played covers/traditionals in small ass venues. 2015 jeff came on fb (which he never did and hated) posted about practicing his songs, it being cathartic and good for his soul and forming a band and bringinng them back (fuck yes!). Adam's wife was a manager for a long time in planet bluegrass ( telluride, rockygrass, etc..) they vindictively blackballed him from all events. ymsb also refused to let him be booked anywhere they were delfest etc. purposely went out of their way for multiple years to ensure he couldn't succeed and take care of his family. he remarried to devlyn and had kids.. family man having to rebuild his whole career while beinng actively fucked from his 20 year brother that he was the driving force of the band and the whole scene that he knew. Adam's wife eventually got fired from planetbluegrass he played rocygrass in 2018 and things were finally seemingly on the upswing. ( he was fully sober after youngest child for almost 2 years) they first played the main stage of Telluride 20 years to the day that he hung himself in 2019. probably to the hour tbh. it was that night. the week before that he played mishawaka theater outside of fort Collins CO and my wife went and said something was very wrong. this is after 2 months earlier he played the best post ymsb show we had ever seen in denvee. he was crying on stage almost incoherent I love you all etc etc couldn't finish songs etc. red alarm. he goes and play blue ox like 2 days later seems ok.. plays father's day in chicago with bayliss (loved Chicago huge Cubs fan) with their kids there and a week later he hangs himself literally the hour of 20 years later of ymsb first Telluride main stage set.. from which he never got to play since the break up because of his dick band mates.
my speculation/gathering is he was struggling hard for money>off wagon> depression over current state of life/career
Ben and Adam were previously booked for a free benefit for an old time bluegrass guy from co. the day that it was announced he was actually dead (life support brain dead for 3 days tried to wake him up didnt work) I left work and drove up to Estes park to see it. andy thorn mando dude from Darrell band, ben adam a few other smaller band pickers. tiny pavillion meant to hold maybe 80 max overflowed with ymsb fans grieving. Ben openly admits that he never talked to jeff HIS 20 YEAR BROTHER a single time since the breakup. THE WHOLE REASON THE REST OF THEM HAD/HAVE A CAREER. why? he was a petty fucking bitch fuck. fuck him I hope he carries that weight forever.
they kicked him out of his band. fucked him on royalties. told him he couldn't play his songs, then ACTIVELY BLACKBALLED HIM FROM HIS OWN SCENE HIS ONLY WAY TO MAKE A LIVING AND ALL HIS FRIENDS.
RIP Jeff. ❤
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:41:05 GMT -7
the worst fucking part of the aftermath is Ben pretending he loved Jeff and now after all these years playing Jeff's songs (which would have NOT been kosher) and trying to cash in on Jeff. ymsb. fanbase is basically gone they are playing tiny venues now. read Ben's statement from after Jeff's death. he literally blames Jeff for being "unable to accept love" fucking bastard fuck. fuck. I'm going to make another drink now you know. I know too much probably going to delete this incase anyone outside of our little pocket sees this.
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:43:55 GMT -7
even Jake just quit. allie wont be far behind. band is trash and ben is the worst front man ever. my boys the drunken hearts from denver opened for them this past fall tour heard all about Jake quitting
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:45:28 GMT -7
read Ben's post death statement after knowing what I know. you might puke.
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:49:36 GMT -7
they can't even headline nwss anymore
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:52:24 GMT -7
When I sit down to write something “important” I usually feel up to the task. Given enough time, and enough revisions, I can come up with something that hits all the right notes. Except not this time. I simply have no idea where to begin, where to end, or what to put in the middle.
I first met Jeff Austin in Nederland, Colorado in 1998. I had a bluegrass band called Tree Full of Pigs and we were playing at the Acoustic Coffeehouse. At the end of the show, this funny, skinny guy came up to me with his name and number written on a piece of paper. He said his name was Jeff, he’d just moved to town, he had a good friend who played banjo who was moving to Ned soon, and we should get together and pick sometime. And now somehow it’s 21 years later.
It’s been quite literally amazing to read everyone’s tributes and recollections, and to share in the purity of their experiences of Jeff and Yonder. There is a kind of simplicity to the experience. Everything, all the memories and emotions, all the music, is distilled down to what I’m seeing as the essence of what people are trying to express. It can be summed up in a single word: impact. Jeff had an impact on everyone he met. And each of those individual moments, all interconnecting with each other and reinforcing each other, unfolded in a way that had a larger consequence. Jeff changed music. For a lot of people. Certainly for me. Before I met him, I had one idea of what was possible. After I met him, I suppose I just didn’t believe there were any limits to what could be accomplished. I’m finding myself experiencing some healing from the potent simplicity in what people are sharing. Because my experience with Jeff was not simple. It was the most extraordinarily complex relationship I’ve ever had.
The last time I spoke to Jeff was on the phone call when we all decided we weren’t going to play music together anymore. That was 5 years ago. I remember that conversation being really positive, which was surprising given the gravity of what we were talking about and the changes we were making. But we agreed that we weren’t happy anymore and that we all deserved to find happiness in music again. I mean, what’s the point otherwise? I only ever saw him twice in those intervening years. The first time was when his band was playing a club in my hometown of Nevada City, CA. I stood outside the Crazy Horse looking in a window and listening. Just for a minute or two. And I remember thinking “Well, shit… That band is way better than Yonder ever was.” I mean, Ross Martin on guitar, Danny Barnes on banjo, Eric Thorin on bass, Jeff leading the way. It was a supergroup. And I felt really happy for Jeff in that moment. Don’t get me wrong, the experience was still really weird, but I also felt happy because it seemed like Jeff was doing great. The last time I saw Jeff was at a festival in Virginia. It was the only time that his band and Yonder 2.0 were booked on the same day at the same festival. He was just pulling out of the backstage entrance while we were arriving. We saw him thru the windshield. I don’t think he saw us. But in talking to the other musicians that night, they all said how great his band sounded. And that made me happy.
Recently, I had begun thinking about what it might feel like to play music with Jeff again. Not to put the old band back together, not to tour, just to play music for a moment. That’s the amazing thing about time. As it passes, it wears away all the rough edges of experience. It tempers and soothes. I certainly observed that effect in my own experience. When I’d think about the past, it was really only the good moments I found myself recollecting. All the challenges or difficulties just weren’t at the forefront of my mind. They’d been washed downstream, diluted and dispersed. But the good memories were right there and I could reach out and touch them and hold them. I could look at them with what felt like a different perspective. And that made me happy too.
As I witness the extraordinary outpouring of love for Jeff, I find myself wishing that it could have happened before he died. I realize that’s not how these things work but it doesn’t stop me from wishing that he could have experienced it. The truth is, though, I don’t know that it would have had the effect that I would hope for. You see, it’s a funny thing: the people who bring the most happiness to others thru their weird creative processes often find it challenging, if not impossible, to really receive love, appreciation and gratitude. They say “Thanks so much, glad you liked the show, the song, the energy…” But it doesn’t reach the heart in a way where all that love can find fertile soil. In some terribly backwards way, it’s easier to receive a criticism than a kindness. You can rally against a criticism, use it as fuel, indulge in the fantasy of making someone eat their words someday. But to receive love? To truly receive it? No way. Far too uncomfortable. It doesn’t stop me from wishing he could have felt it though.
So now, suddenly, the world is different. And I’m not sure what that means, exactly. I look forward to gathering with other musicians in the near future for a celebration of Jeff’s music and in support of his family. I’ve been listening to a lot of Jeff’s songs and wondering how we might best keep them alive and being shared with the world. But really, I have to admit I’m still just kind of grasping right now, distracting myself in various ways because otherwise it’s just so terribly tragic. We want there to be some positive outcome from a tragedy. Something to make it understandable, something to make it make sense. And maybe someday, with the benefit and relentless passing of time, I’ll figure it out.
All I know right now is that I feel lucky to have been a part of an incredible moment in music. A moment when something happened that had never happened before. And it truly was an amazing ride. I just wish it didn’t cost so goddamn much.
All my love,
Ben Kaufmann
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Post by waldowally on Jan 16, 2020 0:55:06 GMT -7
I'm officially Lerner drunk. see yas tomorrow
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Post by ancientchad on Jan 16, 2020 5:39:24 GMT -7
I have definitely encountered the uber-aggressive, holier-than-though, born again 12 steppers. One "friend" called the cops on his roommate who went off the wagon and got him a DUI. "For his own good." Incredibly fucked up thing to do.
I'm very grateful to AA but there are certainly cult-ish aspects to it. A person can get swept away in it just as he or she did in booze, drugs, etc.
And once you've "turned it all over to God" it's very easy to forgive yourself for doing shitty things...
RIP Jeff... And Yonder.
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Post by treetophigh on Jan 16, 2020 5:42:07 GMT -7
Appreciate it. Shits fucked. Wish Jeff could have powered through.
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Post by ferd on Jan 16, 2020 5:49:12 GMT -7
That's a really sad story.
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Post by bear on Jan 16, 2020 6:27:20 GMT -7
Thanks for the insight. I had kind of assumed it was a similar situation where they didn't want to condone Jeff's partying by turning a blind eye, so they forced him out to save the band brand, which is incredibly ironic since he was the charismatic frontman. It's hard to function when you're clean and working with a rager, so people push back and say to themselves that they're helping with some tough love. That clearly did not go as they might have hoped, and instead of pushing him in the right direction, they pushed him off a cliff. Being stonewalled out of performing is just salt in the wound, and ending it 20 years to the day they first played Telluride is gut wrenching.
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Post by Not your moms 🌮 on Jan 16, 2020 6:32:20 GMT -7
Jeff's energy while raging is the reason I like yonder. Without feeling that we are throwing a party feel they were really mostly a meh level bluegrass band. With him it was hootenany music.
Never seen him live. Oh well. Maybe on the other side.
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