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Post by ancientchad on May 23, 2023 20:35:28 GMT -7
"Aside from Biden not fighting for hardly anything he ran on"
I think he has. Can you give me some examples? And not the stuff The Nazis have blocked him on, like Student Loan Forgiveness.
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on May 24, 2023 4:18:15 GMT -7
This election is about keeping Trump nowhere near the White House again. I hate to be that guy but people need to save the Williamson/third party/sitting this election out kind of stuff for ‘28 when surely Trump is no longer an option. A vote for her is just making it easier for that guy to get in and while I personally think DeSantis is an asshole and who knows exactly what and all that lurks inside him, Trump is just plain dangerous to hand the White House back to. Flat out dangerous, but we all know that. In short, Biden or bust for me. Of course Trump is the worst case scenario but this isn't a third party situation. Marianne is running in the democratic primary and imo has a better chance of beating trump than Biden. You forget this is 'Merica! An we ain't fixin to let some liberal lesbian hippiebbaby killer, Progressive on letting people of color, disabilities etc... have a say in all we do, no sir reee she caint do anything but cook dinner, pop out babies, and be a submissive disciple to her man And you talkin running her for president? APPLEBEEEEES! |
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Post by GBK2point0 on May 24, 2023 6:04:07 GMT -7
I'm not thrilled with Biden's age but I voted for him and more than likely will again. I'm curious as to why you guys are so unhappy with his presidency, other than him being old. This election is about keeping Trump nowhere near the White House again. I hate to be that guy but people need to save the Williamson/third party/sitting this election out kind of stuff for ‘28 when surely Trump is no longer an option. A vote for her is just making it easier for that guy to get in and while I personally think DeSantis is an asshole and who knows exactly what and all that lurks inside him, Trump is just plain dangerous to hand the White House back to. Flat out dangerous, but we all know that. In short, Biden or bust for me. I do think Trump has lost a chunk of his popularity since losing the presidency. He and his cronies will tell you otherwise and they will make their rallies look like there's 20,000 people there but it's all the same smoke and mirror pony show that it always has been just with less support this time. Mr. DeSuckass announcing his presidency on twitter, which has blown up into a cesspool of right wing conspiracy theorist nut jobs, today is very scary to me. I believe DeSantis is the poster boy for the republican party, he has the look, and he certainly has the desire to set this country back 100 years and restrict anyone that isn't a white male from having basic human rights. I think he has built a very strong following and a very strong chance to be the republican front runner, even over Trump. Both are idiotic nutjobs who have no business running a country, let alone the state of Florida, and at this point we are going to have to vote for a lesser of 2 evils. I think Biden is doing more than the american people and media are giving him credit for, but even if you feel he is doing the bare minimum these republican whackos want to gut this country and strip us of our rights, they also want to divide this country, we can not let this party take power |
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Post by higs on May 24, 2023 6:12:09 GMT -7
Being in a red state and on the ground with folks who voted for trump, I don't think he's lost any support. I agree with filo. We can't let him have another term. Obviously vote for who you think is best in the primary, but if Biden is the nom, swallow the bitter pill.
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Post by GBK2point0 on May 24, 2023 6:17:10 GMT -7
I'm in a blue state so I may not know better than anyone else, but i firmly believe, based on what i've read, what i've seen, what i've heard, that his popularity is not what it used to be. I believe his base is the most vocal and outspoken of any other but at the end of the day it is usually the silent majority that have a say on who is our next president and I believe the silent majority is not for another term of that shit show
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Post by bussit on May 24, 2023 6:40:14 GMT -7
"Aside from Biden not fighting for hardly anything he ran on" I think he has. Can you give me some examples? And not the stuff The Nazis have blocked him on, like Student Loan Forgiveness. Off the top of my head, he said he would do something to loosen cannabis laws and hasn't lifted a finger to do so. Also he and Harris had the power to put the 15$ minimum wage into law, which he ran on, and chose not do so. He doesn't actually want those things, it was just lies to get our votes. |
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Post by bussit on May 24, 2023 6:52:25 GMT -7
Biden also doesn't want to change our ridiculous health care system or do anything to reign in the military industrial complex that is draining us of money. I hate it.
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Post by Don Swifty on May 24, 2023 8:31:39 GMT -7
Nobody who wins can ever do everything they promise (assuming their promises were sincere in the first place - a big assumption) and their agenda can get hung up in the House and/or Senate. Or circumstances change which means priorities change....
Biden's problem is that he doesn't seem to stand for anything. His whole thing is "I'm not Donald Trump." That may have been good enough (and a wise winning strategy) in 2020, but since then he hasn't really done anything to inspire the nation or cause most people to think that he deserves four more years based on his merits. Whoever he runs against, it'll be "I'm not (fill in the blank)." And if he has done things worthy of causing inspiration, his administration isn't doing a good job of communicating that.
Biden is as inspiring as that Tier 5 jamband who your grandfather used to go see in the 1970's that's still around playing the same clubs that they did back then. I can't see people under 35 and especially new voters being inspired by Biden. And that part ain't about his age, because old ass Bernie inspired (inspires?) the youth.
The country and the world are facing monster sized issues, like soon reaching the point of no return on climate change, and instead of having leadership that's inspiring we got someone whose biggest selling point is that he's not Trump and who's basically said he's the bridge to new leadership - a placeholder, so to speak. People are looking for something better and that has substance in these challenging times. I'd like to think people want bold instead of merely competent, or 'not Trump.' Those on the right certainly want bold (Trump) instead of someone like Romney or McCain. Maybe I'm wrong and the progressives are far outnumbered by the center-right Democrats who find bold ideas and people like Bernie to be too 'radical,' in which case all we're gonna get is more of the same when the times suggest that we need something more. More of the same ain't gonna have anything but a negative impact on climate change, solve the problems of health care, or any number of other important issues.
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Post by Don Swifty on May 24, 2023 8:50:43 GMT -7
I think if Biden wants to boost his legacy for the history books he should announce that he's not running, he saved the nation from a second Trump term, righted the ship, but he's stepping aside to make way for the next generation of leadership, fulfilling his statement back in 2020 that he considers himself as a bridge.
Unlike Trump's proclamation that "I alone can fix it," there's nothing Biden could do in a second term that any other Dem couldn't do just as well - if not better. Step down, come out smelling like something closer to a rose, spend your remaining years with the grandkids.
No matter how popular they were in their first term, all Presidents get beat up in their second term. If Biden wins he's gonna take a major beating and by the time the next election comes around I wouldn't be surprised to see a swell toward the right if the GOP runs another right wing populist.
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Post by ancientchad on May 24, 2023 10:14:15 GMT -7
Don't forget that Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Joe Manchin of West Virginia crushed the most appealing parts of Biden's progressive agenda. He had to take what he could get, which was still substantial.
If any president doesn't have the votes, he can't really do shit. Williamson isn't the candidate who can create and capture a populist, progressive wave.
I actually do believe that candidate is coming, but he or she or them isn't here yet.
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Post by dbg465285 on May 24, 2023 10:26:21 GMT -7
Little known fact. Corn Pop was my uncle so I am a little sensitive on this topic.
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Post by SolarGarlic 🧀 on May 24, 2023 11:01:20 GMT -7
I don’t think anyone is stoked to vote Biden but guess what? He’s not actively trying to take rights away from people, he’s not hateful, he’s not pushing his conservative values on everyone or banning books, he’s not a fraud or a con man or a rapist. THATS THE REALITY. Not even an exaggeration of what we’re dealing with.
I think people forget that he can’t just wave his pen and get shit done.
Unfortunately this is the position we’re in and once again the people who are ‘taking a stand’ and not voting or voting third party look like assclowns.
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on May 24, 2023 11:15:59 GMT -7
No reason senators and house reps don't have terms
If president has terms , so should they
Supreme Court to to be honest
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Post by bussit on May 24, 2023 11:19:07 GMT -7
Again, this is the democratic primary
Listen to Biden’s agenda
listen to Williamson's agenda
Vote for the one you like better
Btw trump will probably beat Biden next time
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on May 24, 2023 12:11:02 GMT -7
Again, this is the democratic primary Listen to Biden’s agenda listen to Williamson's agenda Vote for the one you like better Btw trump will probably beat Biden next time Can't Im no party affiliate these days I'll vote for democraps over redumblicans though |
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Post by bear on May 24, 2023 13:15:32 GMT -7
Too soon'd
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Post by bussit on May 24, 2023 16:57:02 GMT -7
Gotta get the word out..
The mainstream media won't do it
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Post by Don Swifty on May 30, 2023 18:22:34 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on May 31, 2023 6:50:11 GMT -7
"Aside from Biden not fighting for hardly anything he ran on" I think he has. Can you give me some examples? And not the stuff The Nazis have blocked him on, like Student Loan Forgiveness. |
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Post by GBK2point0 on May 31, 2023 7:07:51 GMT -7
Again, this is the democratic primary Listen to Biden’s agenda listen to Williamson's agenda Vote for the one you like better Btw trump will probably beat Biden next time If Trump beats Biden it will be because of the people who voted for Williamson in swing states |
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