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Ol' Joe B
Feb 10, 2024 16:46:08 GMT -7
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Post by deadphishbiscuits on Feb 10, 2024 16:46:08 GMT -7
Yall can have
APPLEBEEEEES
or
TGIFridays and forget what you ordered
APPLEBEEEEES appies ain't in your frozen food section...
You know what to do
Potato Skins'd > 2 Fer twenny
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Post by Vibyl on Feb 11, 2024 2:00:08 GMT -7
I JUST dont get how so many people are snowed by that orange shitstain of humanity. They are going to vote their freedom away in the name of Freedom...smh.
Biden is not a psychopath and has at least tried to make improvements given the corrupt Rep politicians in Congress
That shit where they voted down the border deal for Trump to have talking points is unconscionable
Day 1 of Biden's Presidency they had an Immigration Bill-They voted it down. Not sure why they dont remind them of that constantly
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 6:25:53 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Feb 12, 2024 6:25:53 GMT -7
This is a problem
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 12, 2024 9:16:25 GMT -7
^ I think guys are as slanted as Fox News sometimes.
Have they ever said a "good thing" about any type of Biden/Democratic achievement or is it always "yeah but...?"
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 10:43:06 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Feb 12, 2024 10:43:06 GMT -7
TYT hosts voice their opinions loudly but they WILL NOT LIE TO YOU or hide inconvenient facts. They don't have advertising sponsors to piss off, or get censored or directed by. It's what real talk looks like
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 11:08:59 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 12, 2024 11:08:59 GMT -7
Seems to me they just Mother F everybody and stompt their feet.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 11:14:04 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Feb 12, 2024 11:14:04 GMT -7
Cenk is literally running for president. That's not sitting and stomping feet
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 11:24:30 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 12, 2024 11:24:30 GMT -7
Dude he CANNOT be President unless The Constitution is changed...
Come on man.
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 12, 2024 11:25:36 GMT -7
Lol
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 12, 2024 14:23:39 GMT -7
TYT has their format and it works for them just like FOX/Alex Jones/etc. have their (similar) formats that cater to their specific audience. I think there's a difference between hiding an inconvenient fact and not mentioning an inconvenient fact. The former is more malignant and the latter more benign. You can choose not to reveal an inconvenient (or any) fact and still be 100% truthful.
In the case of TYT video the polling they're focusing on may be 100% true, but the inconvenient fact (to their argument) they're not mentioning is the rise in support of women, or some other demographic that's improved for the Dems. Not surprising and nothing wrong with political pundits focusing on facts that bolster or make their argument while ignoring facts that do the opposite, like how pundits cherry pick and choose what they want to focus on to support their argument that the economy is either doing well or sucks; no matter which, all the facts used to make their respective arguments might be 100% truthful.
I also notice their primary focus seems to be on certain facts and not what they mean in a larger context or even acknowledging that larger context.
What are all the people who tell pollsters they're disappointed in the Dems going to do on election day? Vote Republican, stay home, or hold their nose and vote for their best (imperfect) option? Are the disappointed responding to a seemingly interested "pollster" willing to listen (but whose only interest is to complete the survey in order to get paid - I once worked in political polling when I was a slacker) as a way to blow off steam? Have the disappointed left, never to return? Have they actively switched sides?
They're not lying when they state that certain campaign promises remain unfulfilled, but they're not mentioning the inconvenient fact that nothing happens within a bubble, a president has to get their proposals through both houses of Congress, and right now the House is extremely hostile. Trump didn't build his wall and the parts he did weren't paid for by Mexico. His supporters were disappointed. Did they vote for Biden because of that disappointment, stay home, or figure Trump was the better option over Biden and voted Trump despite their disappointments?
In principal I agree with their point of view, but TYT have their way of talking about things which is similar to right wing media; complain. Focus on the negative without mentioning the inconvenient facts of a divided government. No focus on anything positive that's happened or offer any realistic solutions. Suggesting the Dems need to do X without mentioning that the GOP will never let X pass the House isn't a realistic solution. Does Cenk think that he, or Marianne Williamson, or anyone else would be able to get all of their proposals/promises through Congress and passed? If so, how would they be able to where others have failed? It's far easier to be a critic, complainer, or the opposition than it is to actually govern and get things done.
They don't focus on the inconvenient (to their argument) fact that Trump is actively opposed to policies they favor and will be the far worse option. What do they think Trump would do re: Israel/Palestinians given another opportunity? What do they think Trump would do on virtually any other topic of importance? Idealism is great, but it has it's time and place. TYT seems to be stuck in their idealism and complaining and not all that interested in taking a realistic approach; a left wing version of those in right wing media who propose refusing to compromise at all because they get more mileage out of their idealism and are less interested in doing what it takes to move the ball forward. They only want home runs. No singles or walks to get closer to their objectives. And if they can't have everything they want they're going to complain about it. I get it. It makes for a more compelling show and gives like minded people an opportunity to agree and blow off their own steam. Unfortunately, at this point it only serves to strengthen Trump and the right wing and weaken the imperfect, but better of two options. The time for progressives to try to get an an alternative candidate to Biden has passed - the reality (barring extraordinary circumstances) is it ain't happening or it already would have. Right now it's either Biden or Trump. That's an inconvenient fact.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 16:59:48 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Feb 12, 2024 16:59:48 GMT -7
Dude he CANNOT be President unless The Constitution is changed... Come on man. Not sure what your point is here. I was responding to the foot stomping comment
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 12, 2024 17:23:45 GMT -7
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 12, 2024 18:05:42 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 12, 2024 18:05:42 GMT -7
Pretty sure I've alluded to this.
We'll see!
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 12, 2024 19:47:28 GMT -7
He'd have to voluntarily bow out and from what the article says, Biden has a pretty large ego from being elected to the Senate in his 20's and finally winning the presidency. Makes sense, esp. if thinks only he alone can beat Trump. Why an 81 year old would want to run for and be president for four more years as opposed to bowing out, having a legacy that ends with being the guy who beat Trump and was the transition to the next generation of leadership is beyond me.
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Feb 13, 2024 12:00:40 GMT -7
Remember all the centrists vilifying Bernie voters for wanting better than Joe ass Biden...
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Feb 13, 2024 12:01:51 GMT -7
Republican lite.
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 13, 2024 12:28:47 GMT -7
I remember the whole concept of Democratic "Super Delegates" who assured that Hilary would be the nominee no matter how well Bernie did. Glad they ditched that, but not surprised that it didn't lead to Bernie or anyone else from the progressive wing being the 2020 nominee.
I'm not surprised that a party of mostly Republican lite centrists is still going to choose a Republican lite centrist over a progressive. I'm more pissed that they didn't at least choose a different Republican lite centrist over Biden. I'm most pissed at Biden for suggesting his role was to defeat Trump, get the country somewhat back on track, and then be the transition to the next generation (even if that next generation was still Republican lite), but then decided 'fuck all that, I'm holding on to power.' Foolish old selfish ego maniac. Unless you're for Trump or decide to not vote we're stuck with him unless he does the honorable thing and bow out - which I don't see happening.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 15, 2024 8:34:43 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Feb 15, 2024 8:34:43 GMT -7
Cenk is literally running for president. That's not sitting and stomping feet good info about the election in here
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 16, 2024 20:46:13 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 17, 2024 6:25:05 GMT -7
^ this is really how I feel.
If he does this "mic drop" he will go down in history as an exceptional president who "saved his country" then stepped away.
If he stays and losses to Trump... history will remember him in a very different way.
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