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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 17, 2024 8:33:25 GMT -7
In the last couple of weeks from what I've heard of his voice and seen of him, ole Joe ain't lookin' as sprite as he did just a few years ago. He might still be relatively sharp, but he looks and sounds terrible and I'd hate to think how much more terrible after four more years of the most stressful job on the planet. Even if he stays and wins, if he continues on his decline history might still not view him as the exceptional president who saved his country. The egos these old guys have thinking only they can save the country from the other old guy... Step aside and enjoy being a rich old man, dude.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 17, 2024 10:47:30 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 17, 2024 10:47:30 GMT -7
Remember all the centrists vilifying Bernie voters for wanting better than Joe ass Biden... For the record Pres. Biden has been much, much more progressive than Sen. Biden was. Despite Mondegreen Delaware isn't chock-full of liberal hippies. |
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Post by bussit on Feb 17, 2024 11:10:38 GMT -7
As a progressive myself I can tell you that the main things I want done are: Medicare for all, reigning in the crazy defense budget that is sucking us dry, getting the money out of politics, legalizing weed and others, free college. We can say JB is more progressive than he use to be but he doesn't stand for any of those things and isn't progressive in any current sense of the word. Honestly Idk what he stands for.
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Post by bussit on Feb 17, 2024 11:11:41 GMT -7
I'd also like to throw in the ridiculous electoral college system. Throw it in the trash. I never hear a word about that
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Post by bear on Feb 17, 2024 11:19:43 GMT -7
Status quo candidate masquerading as a liberal
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 17, 2024 11:58:54 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 17, 2024 11:58:54 GMT -7
Sen. Biden was definitely a conservative Democrat. No question.
There's a reason 70% of all Fortune 500 companies are incorporated in Delaware.
Like I've said I was a Warren guy.
But that doesn't stop me from believing that Biden has been a good president.
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Feb 17, 2024 13:29:21 GMT -7
Remember all the centrists vilifying Bernie voters for wanting better than Joe ass Biden... For the record Pres. Biden has been much, much more progressive than Sen. Biden was. Despite Mondegreen Delaware isn't chock-full of liberal hippies. He adopted a bunch of progressive campaign promises for sure, and did nothing with them. |
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Post by thecosmicbandito on Feb 17, 2024 13:29:50 GMT -7
Status quo candidate masquerading as a liberal |
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 17, 2024 15:06:03 GMT -7
I'll post this again. From three weeks ago.
"The Biden-Harris Administration announced today the approval of $4.9 billion in additional student loan debt relief for 73,600 borrowers. These discharges are the result of fixes made by the Administration to income-driven repayment (IDR) forgiveness and Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF).
Today’s announcement brings the total loan forgiveness approved by the Biden-Harris Administration to $136.6 billion for more than 3.7 million Americans."
From Earth Justice
August 16, 2023
"Last year, President Joe Biden signed a landmark $391 billion climate solutions investment bill — the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). This once-in-a-generation legislation has supercharged the process of replacing our deadly fossil fuel economy with clean energy while investing in critical air monitoring technologies, pollution reduction programs, environmental justice priorities, and efficient permitting processes.
As the bill reaches its one-year anniversary, we can begin to measure its impact in terms of jobs created (170,606 and counting, with an economic value of $278 billion), decreasing energy costs (dropping by more than $1,000 a year for the average family), and investment in reducing harmful pollution ($27 billion to cut emissions and advance clean energy projects). If we build on the momentum of the IRA, a future that averts the worse effects of the climate crisis is within reach."
I'm sorry but to say "he's done nothing" is factually untrue.
If you want to say "he hasn't done enough" that's fair. But "done nothing" is simply false.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 17, 2024 15:18:36 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 17, 2024 15:18:36 GMT -7
And as a person with very minimal hands-on political experience, I am much, much more impressed with actual legislation than bombast and sloganeering.
Talk is cheap.
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Post by flyinghellphish on Feb 17, 2024 17:01:18 GMT -7
when we are 80 we will be the conservative democrats.
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 17, 2024 17:13:21 GMT -7
I'm using currently 82 year old Bernie Sanders as my role model for where I want to be politically at that age. Hopefully in the 25 years that pass between now and then progressive policies will be old enough to be considered conservative at that point. Not that I'm holding my breath for that.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 17, 2024 17:54:33 GMT -7
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Post by EddieBlake on Feb 17, 2024 17:54:33 GMT -7
I'll post this again. From three weeks ago. "The Biden-Harris Administration announced today the approval of $4.9 billion in additional student loan debt relief for 73,600 borrowers. These discharges are the result of fixes made by the Administration to income-driven repayment (IDR) forgiveness and Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF). Today’s announcement brings the total loan forgiveness approved by the Biden-Harris Administration to $136.6 billion for more than 3.7 million Americans." From Earth Justice August 16, 2023 "Last year, President Joe Biden signed a landmark $391 billion climate solutions investment bill — the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). This once-in-a-generation legislation has supercharged the process of replacing our deadly fossil fuel economy with clean energy while investing in critical air monitoring technologies, pollution reduction programs, environmental justice priorities, and efficient permitting processes. As the bill reaches its one-year anniversary, we can begin to measure its impact in terms of jobs created (170,606 and counting, with an economic value of $278 billion), decreasing energy costs (dropping by more than $1,000 a year for the average family), and investment in reducing harmful pollution ($27 billion to cut emissions and advance clean energy projects). If we build on the momentum of the IRA, a future that averts the worse effects of the climate crisis is within reach." I'm sorry but to say "he's done nothing" is factually untrue. If you want to say "he hasn't done enough" that's fair. But "done nothing" is simply false. He's done SOME of that but a lot of what he has proposed to do hasn't come to pass (he has faced insane pushback on it but still seems like he could be pushing that harder if he wanted to secure the youth vote) |
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 25, 2024 11:11:40 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 25, 2024 15:37:09 GMT -7
^ Great article
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 25, 2024 16:15:20 GMT -7
Apparently it ain't as easy as Joe steppin' aside to make room for someone else. It's gonna be a messy election all the way around.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 25, 2024 16:28:04 GMT -7
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Post by ancientchad on Feb 25, 2024 16:28:04 GMT -7
Dump Harris and lose significant Women/ African-American vote.
Keep Harris lose significant Male/Swing/Independent vote.
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 25, 2024 16:46:42 GMT -7
All of which would have been avoided had Joe announced he wasn't running for re-election and wasn't going to be giving an endorsement during the open primary that would've followed. If he leaves now he creates as many problems as he solves. Leave it to the Dems to do their best to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
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Post by Don Swifty on Feb 25, 2024 16:53:17 GMT -7
Let's hope Trump will his own approval problems creates a whole bunch of problems for the GOP with his criminal trials and their effect on the election.
Given the shitty candidates we're forced to decide between it wouldn't surprise me if this turns out to be a low turnout election.
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Ol' Joe B
Feb 25, 2024 17:32:59 GMT -7
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Post by bussit on Feb 25, 2024 17:32:59 GMT -7
Agreed on the low turnout. Unfortunately Republicans are much more reliable voters, and Trump is constantly feeding his base red meat to feed on. I don't see much of anything from Joe B like that. He is not firing people up.
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